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20 Questions: Dale Woolridge, MD/PhD [Emergency Medicine, Pediatrics]

Dale Woolridge, MDWelcome to the first in a series of ‘20-question’ interviews with physicians in each of the major medical specialties. For our first article we sat-down in February 2007 with Dale Woolridge, MD/PhD, FAAEM, FAAP, FACEP.

Given that Woolridge is the Director of the Emergency Medicine and Pediatric Combined Residency Program, as well as Assistant Professor of Emergency Medicine and Pediatrics at the Department of Emergency Medicine in Tucson, Arizona, we’re pleased he had time to answer one question—let alone 20.

SDN: Describe a typical day at work.

W: I attend in an Emergency Department at a Level 1 trauma center that where we care for both medical and trauma cases, as well as oversee residents who I teach bedside. I also provide didactic training and lectures, and conduct simulator training with residents. I also conduct administrative duties and resident oversight/advising

SDN: If you had it to do all over again, would you still become a Doctor? (Why or why not? What would you have done instead?)

W: Although there are negatives, all in all I would still do it all over again. I definitely chose the right profession for me. The biggest dissuasion I can see are the medical legal issues—the liability and the threat of being sued.

SDN: Why did you choose your specialty?

W: I like the variety and that I don’t have to pin myself down. My personality is also compatible to the random schedule. In short, my lifestyle is compatible. As for pediatrics, I chose kids because I enjoy caring for them over all others.

SDN: Did you plan to enter your current specialty prior to med school?

W: The decision came during my third year. I was originally going into orthopedics. But the lifestyle of an orthopedist doesn’t provide variety and I found it to be too narrow of a scope.

SDN: Now that you’re in your specialty, do you find that it met your expectations?

W: Yes. I consider myself to be very fortunate to have stayed in academics. I like the teaching involvement and the residency involvement.

SDN: Are you satisfied with your income?

W: Whenever someone goes into academic medicine, there’s a pay cut involved, but I knew that going in and I am satisfied. Sure, I could be making more in private practice, but I’m not hurting.

SDN: What do you like most and least about your specialty?

W: I like to be able to fix things fast, and Emergency Medicine allows for that. Unfortunately, the nature of emergency is that you also see underside of society—the drug seekers and others with ulterior motives. The threat of liability is also a huge negative.

SDN: If you took out educational loans, is paying them back a financial strain?

W: Not for me, because I enrolled in the Army Reserve STRAP program and they help pay back my loans.

SDN: On average: How many hours a week do you work? How many hours do you sleep per night? How many weeks of vacation do you take?

W: I work about 26 hours clinically per week, and work a total of 50 hours including teaching and administration. I’ve never been a good sleeper, so I average about six hours per night. As for vacation, I can take as much as I want. We choose our schedules six months at a time, so technically I could work all my shifts straight through and take three months off. Usually, I take four to six weeks per year.

SDN: Do you have a family and do you have enough time to spend with them?

W: Yes and yes. I have two kids who are getting older and more active, and I am able to tailor my shifts for time off.

SDN: In your position now, knowing what you do – what would you say to yourself 10 years ago?

W: I don’t have any regrets—I’m happy with the way I trained and with the job I landed.

SDN: What information/advice do you wish you had known when you were a premed?
(What mistakes or experiences have you encountered that you wished you had known about ahead of time so you could have avoided them?)

W: I would have taken more initiative early on to get clinical exposure. In third year I was thrown straight into the clinical setting. To prepare better I would have volunteered more beforehand. I also think I would have gotten my Paramedic or EMT training.

SDN: From your perspective, what is the biggest problem in healthcare today?

W: Medical liability, particularly in Emergency Medicine where you can’t establish rapport with patients as easily. For example, half of the radiographs I order are not because I think there is likely to be an abnormality, rather it’s to be overly cautious to avoid a lawsuit. I think it’s made the cost of healthcare extremely onerous on all sides.

SDN: From your perspective, what is the biggest problem within your own specialty?

W: Again, I would have to say medical liability and frivolous lawsuits. It’s inherent to the nature of Emergency Medicine, where I will not get to see these patients again, that every time I send someone home I have to be very comfortable that they don’t have anything emergent going on.

SDN: What impact do mid-level providers have on your day-to-day practice?

W: Zero—not in our department since we are resident based.

SDN: Where do you see your specialty in 10 years?

W: I see Emergency Medicine always having business and being in business. I hope that primary care will catch up to us and be able to correct the over saturation in Emergency Medicine. I’m optimistic that some of our volume will be funneled back to the clinics and allow us to focus on true emergencies.

SDN: What types of outreach/volunteer work do you do, if any? Any international work?

W: I volunteer as a physician at a local high school and elementary school, where I attend sporting events and also teach injury prevention.

SDN: Why did you select academics over private practice?

W: I want to know what’s next and want to be able to talk about theories and what is new. I also like the challenge of keeping myself academically sharp.

SDN: What mix of clinical/research/teaching work do you do? How much power do you have to change that mix?

W: Clinical is set in stone, because it pays the bills, but I’m more invested in academics. Roughly 50 percent of my duties are clinical. As far as teaching is concerned, you can do this while you’re doing clinical work, so a clinician with a passion for teaching makes it overlap. I’d say research is five percent, and teaching is 80 percent. I have the power to change that mix—I could get a grant that buys my hours down.

SDN: What are the advantages/disadvantages to academic medicine?

W: In academics there’s less money, and you often work more hours. The advantage is in the satisfaction of teaching.

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9 Responses to “20 Questions: Dale Woolridge, MD/PhD [Emergency Medicine, Pediatrics]”

  1. Ali says:

    Would you consider moving to a bigger city (ex NY, BOS or Houston) if your salary increased? What advantage or disadvantage would you have in the move?

  2. D. Woolridge says:

    Pay scale for EM physicians varies mostly by region. There may be minor variations from site to site but I never looked into it that much.

    Regarding moving to a larger city… Simple salary alone would not drag me to a larger city. You not only have to be happy where you work but also where you live. I am not a big city kinda guy.

    Regarding benefits/disadvantages… I don’t see there would be much of a difference. I currently work at a Level 1 trauma center which is the tertiary care center for our area.

  3. Carlos Lara says:

    Great insight!!! I want to go into EM so this is a very informative Q&A for me. Thanks and please keep up the great work, SDN. Thanks Dr.Woolridge for your time and knowledge!!!

  4. AZEMresident says:

    Dale Woolridge is the man. He is one of our attendings here and we love him! He brings so much knowledge to the table he is a major resource for us at the U of A!

  5. Dana Cox says:

    These 20 quesiton interviews are great! They are exactly the type of information I want to hear as a premed student.

  6. Chulito says:

    Dr. Woolridge-

    How much of an advantage do you see in doing an EM/IM double residency for someone who wants to be an ER doctor? It seems that the added profundity in medicine could only be helpful, but perhaps that can be had on the job without dragging out residency to five years.

    Also, what do you think of ERs that are run on the Internist/Surgeon staffing model rather than the ER-doc staffing model? What about a hybrid of the two?

  7. D. Woolridge says:

    First, I should warn any of you who are soon to do an EM rotation. The term “ER” is a commonly used term that many EM physicians do not necessarily care for. The joke is that “ER is a hollywood show. I don’t work in a room”. So to avoid getting corrected during your EM rotation, the specialty is Emergency Medicine (EM) and we work in an Emergency Department (ED). Please forgive the rant. ;)

    Question #1: I did an EM/Ped combined residency. Regarding potential redundancy in EM/IM, I will defer to another who went through that training track. I will mention thought that it appears a higher percentage of EM/IM go into academics (Acad Emerg Med Volume 9, Number 12 1457-1459). I am not sure if this is due to the training itself or whether it is due to the masochistic nature of a person who chooses a five year residency. ;)

    I trained via the EM/Ped residency that is also five years (equally masochistic). My argument for this training is simple. I prefer to care for kids but don’t mind caring for adults, I prefer to work in an emergency setting and I didn’t want to give up either. I also wanted the lifestyle, job opportunity and academic opportunity that EM allows. Currently I am a faculty member in a Dept of EM but I also have a joint appointment in a Dept of Peds. I am one of the PedEM specialists of my group and organize the pediatric emergency curriculum.

    So, you ask, would I have gone through the combined program if I had it to do over again? Heck yes! It got me were I am now. I will refer you to an article just out in JEM, Feb 2007: this article shows that graduates of EM/Ped combined programs are actively practicing in both fields. This opposed to EM/IM and IM/Ped who tend to chose one specialty over the other. (for full disclosure sake, I wrote this article).

    How combined EM/Ped training compares to the fellowship of Pediatric Emergency Medicine is another very long topic that I will not belabor now.

    Question #2: I am not familiar with the Internist/surgeon models since I have never worked in a facility of such. Suffice it to say, my understanding is that these are diminishing fast. My personal opinion is that this type of model would not work in our department (or ED’s that I have worked in the past). Not to toot my own horn but I do not know of another specialty who is as broadly trained as EM (save Family Medicine: note that it is FM, not FP -just keeping you up to speed on the jargon). EM is truly a “Jack of all Trades”. IM-great training and excellent for the adult medical emergency but what are they going to do with the Pediatric case? OB case? Gyn case? Difficult airway? You can make a similar arguement with surgery.

    To be fair though, along with the Jack of all trades comes the “master of none.” I am fine with that-hence why I am happy with my specialty. I would argue a rebuttal though (this will be my last personal opinion), I do have a specialty! My specialty is Emergency Medical Care: I am specifically trained to take care of emergencies of ALL KINDS which is what IM and Surgery does not universally have.

  8. Dori Pearce says:

    Hi Dale,
    Kathy (Winbauer)now Prow, and I were just sitting here talking about fun NAU times and your name came up. I googled you and found this. We were both glad to know you are doing so well, we knew you would. Congrats on allof your hard work. Dori

  9. Anonymous says:

    Thank you so much for doing this article! I am a first year Pre-med student and I want to go into Peds/EM. I have volunteered in the EC at a children’s hospital for the past 3 1/2 years so I know that is what I want to do. What are the differences between doing a Ped/EM residency, a Peds residency and a PedsEM fellowship, and doing an EM residency with a PedsEM fellowship? Also thanks for mentioning the bit about getting EMT training. I have been thinking about getting my EMT license this summer so I could work in the EC and it was really nice to hear that it really is worth it. Thanks again!

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