Comments on: The Successful Match: Introduction http://www.studentdoctor.net/2007/05/the-successful-match-introduction/ An educational community for students and doctors spanning all the health professions. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:10:17 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Alex http://www.studentdoctor.net/2007/05/the-successful-match-introduction/#comment-274 Alex Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:22:06 +0000 http://studentdoctor.net/blog/2007/05/09/the-successful-match-introduction/#comment-274 Yes who says life is fair? Do best you can some are good at memorizing. some are naturally born wiht good people skills. what can you say. you just have to again BALANCE things out make best of what you get. then again Like some says, Medicine is really for the people and will be always for the people. Clinicals grades are just that to balance what you think you now based on arrogance of book knowledge ultimately comes back to you haunt you, and remind you that treating a patient does not stop at reading medical books . foremost improtant you have to get along with people. THis goes for not only medicine but in all types of JOBS out there in business. this is why they put so much weight on CLINICAL years. Just as they put artificial scales on how much you know as in written exam clinical grades also has that scale. GOOD luck. be talkative, be friendly and PLease dont be arrogant of what you know. its only skin deep. Yes who says life is fair? Do best you can some are good at memorizing. some are naturally born wiht good people skills. what can you say. you just have to again BALANCE things out make best of what you get. then again Like some says, Medicine is really for the people and will be always for the people. Clinicals grades are just that to balance what you think you now based on arrogance of book knowledge ultimately comes back to you haunt you, and remind you that treating a patient does not stop at reading medical books . foremost improtant you have to get along with people. THis goes for not only medicine but in all types of JOBS out there in business. this is why they put so much weight on CLINICAL years. Just as they put artificial scales on how much you know as in written exam clinical grades also has that scale. GOOD luck. be talkative, be friendly and PLease dont be arrogant of what you know. its only skin deep.

]]> By: robiajr http://www.studentdoctor.net/2007/05/the-successful-match-introduction/#comment-273 robiajr Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:04:48 +0000 http://studentdoctor.net/blog/2007/05/09/the-successful-match-introduction/#comment-273 This whole process has very little to do with personality or people skills or intelligence. I was rated a 5 on my interpersonal relationships and then given just a pass in medicine because I passed the shelf, then I got a high pass in surgery, and pediatrics shelf exams and was rated well for my interpersonal skills and just passed. I think a lot of it has to do with moxy. People who are able to maintain their cool in front of their esteemed professors and simultaneously hit it off well with their residents are the ones who get the best grades. Unfortunately, those same students that look so good in front of the professors are often the slackers that you would never want to work with. Then some of it is having the guts to ask for what you want--asking to be able to do something in the OR. That unfortunately is not a purchasable commodity. Some people are born into confidence and groomed to take their place at the height of society. Others like me have to take a leap of faith from what they were born to be to what they want to become. Kudos to all of you who are successful despite having to work your way up from the bottom of society. Kudos to all of you who actually work hard and are successful. Kudos to all of you who are not part of the 24% of Johns Hopkins students who cheat to get where they are. Hopefully, I will be working with some of you in the future. :-) This whole process has very little to do with personality or people skills or intelligence. I was rated a 5 on my interpersonal relationships and then given just a pass in medicine because I passed the shelf, then I got a high pass in surgery, and pediatrics shelf exams and was rated well for my interpersonal skills and just passed. I think a lot of it has to do with moxy. People who are able to maintain their cool in front of their esteemed professors and simultaneously hit it off well with their residents are the ones who get the best grades. Unfortunately, those same students that look so good in front of the professors are often the slackers that you would never want to work with. Then some of it is having the guts to ask for what you want–asking to be able to do something in the OR. That unfortunately is not a purchasable commodity. Some people are born into confidence and groomed to take their place at the height of society. Others like me have to take a leap of faith from what they were born to be to what they want to become. Kudos to all of you who are successful despite having to work your way up from the bottom of society. Kudos to all of you who actually work hard and are successful. Kudos to all of you who are not part of the 24% of Johns Hopkins students who cheat to get where they are. Hopefully, I will be working with some of you in the future. :-)

]]> By: Rockshox http://www.studentdoctor.net/2007/05/the-successful-match-introduction/#comment-272 Rockshox Mon, 14 May 2007 19:26:17 +0000 http://studentdoctor.net/blog/2007/05/09/the-successful-match-introduction/#comment-272 Well cool, looks like the hyperlink got moved. I regards to some above comments, I am sure that there are many things that are "common sense", however, I think that there are many students without common sense and who do some crazy things in front of residents and attendings that I think they dont' feel are crazy. Also, the debate about clerkship grades rages on, it will be interesting to see what the authors have to say and what insight they may have into this. Is it possible that they will share no new info? Sure! But it is also possible that they could reveal some tips that many people may not have considered fromt their personal perspectives. I hope its the latter. Well cool, looks like the hyperlink got moved. I regards to some above comments, I am sure that there are many things that are “common sense”, however, I think that there are many students without common sense and who do some crazy things in front of residents and attendings that I think they dont’ feel are crazy. Also, the debate about clerkship grades rages on, it will be interesting to see what the authors have to say and what insight they may have into this. Is it possible that they will share no new info? Sure! But it is also possible that they could reveal some tips that many people may not have considered fromt their personal perspectives. I hope its the latter.

]]> By: RoxUrSox http://www.studentdoctor.net/2007/05/the-successful-match-introduction/#comment-271 RoxUrSox Mon, 14 May 2007 04:38:12 +0000 http://studentdoctor.net/blog/2007/05/09/the-successful-match-introduction/#comment-271 3rd year objectivity? What for? Just learn your people skills and do your job.. You should get honors.. If you suck at people skills, don't expect academics or robotic regurgitation of knowledge to keep you going. You knew this going into the medical field. (Unless you were stupid enough not to read up on the field). Quit it with your Generation Entitlement, you sold your soul to medicine. It owns you now.. 3rd year objectivity? What for? Just learn your people skills and do your job.. You should get honors.. If you suck at people skills, don’t expect academics or robotic regurgitation of knowledge to keep you going.

You knew this going into the medical field. (Unless you were stupid enough not to read up on the field). Quit it with your Generation Entitlement, you sold your soul to medicine. It owns you now..

]]> By: Rockshox http://www.studentdoctor.net/2007/05/the-successful-match-introduction/#comment-270 Rockshox Sat, 12 May 2007 01:56:56 +0000 http://studentdoctor.net/blog/2007/05/09/the-successful-match-introduction/#comment-270 It will be interesting to see what things are shared in this column. I will have to admit that I am skeptical of information sites were the first text is a hyperlink to a site where you can purchase the authors' book. I am hoping that it will prove to be a very useful and informative column. It will be interesting to see what things are shared in this column. I will have to admit that I am skeptical of information sites were the first text is a hyperlink to a site where you can purchase the authors’ book. I am hoping that it will prove to be a very useful and informative column.

]]> By: MobileDoc http://www.studentdoctor.net/2007/05/the-successful-match-introduction/#comment-269 MobileDoc Thu, 10 May 2007 01:50:42 +0000 http://studentdoctor.net/blog/2007/05/09/the-successful-match-introduction/#comment-269 Reading the excerpt of the book on Amazon, it was interesting to see that faculty rated a video-taped performance of a resident much differently from faculty evaluator to faculty evaluator. This is not very surprisng to me however, having experience third year clerkships. It would be interesting to hear if there are any ideas about how to make third year clerkships more objective. Many medical students now know how powerful these third year evaluations can be, however subjectively based they are, and we have all heard stories about medical students with contacts with "big wigs" in a certain field, who get prestigious residencies that would not otherwise be meritted based on their grades in medical school. Often I, and several of my classmates, felt that faculty evaluators were often very biased towards certain students, i.e. those who hit it off socially with the attending, but did less work on the rotation and privately conceded that they hated the rotation, and those who had excellent fund of knowledge, but were sometimes disliked by faculty for a variety of personal reasons. I think a large part of this is the fact that while in the past the best and brightest went into academic medicine, and therefore assigned grades based on who they felt demonstrated the qualities of the next generation of the best and brightest of physicians, this is no longer the case. Often present day clinical faculty instructors, especially those junior faculty on the wards, are less able to subjectively judge who is doing a better job. The most embarassing/frustrating aspect is having an arrogant faculty member pimp me, tell me I am wrong and then give me a wrong answer to one of his pimp questions! Medical schools need to change how third year clerks are evaluated, and make it more commensurate with grades, fund of knnowledge, and actual skill rather than un-standardized grading based on who an attending or resident gets along best with. Giving clinical faculty members the power to decide a grade based on their subjective perception of a student is flawed, and should be restricted to only approximately 25% of the total grade. Otherwise, clinical junior faculty have too much power to a decide a medical student's future career options for them. Reading the excerpt of the book on Amazon, it was interesting to see that faculty rated a video-taped performance of a resident much differently from faculty evaluator to faculty evaluator. This is not very surprisng to me however, having experience third year clerkships. It would be interesting to hear if there are any ideas about how to make third year clerkships more objective. Many medical students now know how powerful these third year evaluations can be, however subjectively based they are, and we have all heard stories about medical students with contacts with “big wigs” in a certain field, who get prestigious residencies that would not otherwise be meritted based on their grades in medical school. Often I, and several of my classmates, felt that faculty evaluators were often very biased towards certain students, i.e. those who hit it off socially with the attending, but did less work on the rotation and privately conceded that they hated the rotation, and those who had excellent fund of knowledge, but were sometimes disliked by faculty for a variety of personal reasons.

I think a large part of this is the fact that while in the past the best and brightest went into academic medicine, and therefore assigned grades based on who they felt demonstrated the qualities of the next generation of the best and brightest of physicians, this is no longer the case. Often present day clinical faculty instructors, especially those junior faculty on the wards, are less able to subjectively judge who is doing a better job. The most embarassing/frustrating aspect is having an arrogant faculty member pimp me, tell me I am wrong and then give me a wrong answer to one of his pimp questions! Medical schools need to change how third year clerks are evaluated, and make it more commensurate with grades, fund of knnowledge, and actual skill rather than un-standardized grading based on who an attending or resident gets along best with. Giving clinical faculty members the power to decide a grade based on their subjective perception of a student is flawed, and should be restricted to only approximately 25% of the total grade. Otherwise, clinical junior faculty have too much power to a decide a medical student’s future career options for them.

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