Comments on: The Successful Match: Interview with Dr. Marianne Green http://www.studentdoctor.net/2009/05/the-successful-match-interview-with-dr-marianne-green/ An educational community for students and doctors spanning all the health professions. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:46:14 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Danzman http://www.studentdoctor.net/2009/05/the-successful-match-interview-with-dr-marianne-green/#comment-7031 Danzman Fri, 22 May 2009 20:52:40 +0000 http://www.studentdoctor.net/?p=1772#comment-7031 Thank you Dr. Desai for your response. Thank you Dr. Desai for your response.

]]> By: Ranier http://www.studentdoctor.net/2009/05/the-successful-match-interview-with-dr-marianne-green/#comment-7030 Ranier Fri, 22 May 2009 17:40:29 +0000 http://www.studentdoctor.net/?p=1772#comment-7030 Bill: Puh-leeze. LCME grads already have a leg up on everyone else in the match. For the DO or FMG to "steal" a spot means simply that program directors found them to be more appealing and accomplished candidates. Maybe you or your classmates should have been better. Bill: Puh-leeze. LCME grads already have a leg up on everyone else in the match. For the DO or FMG to “steal” a spot means simply that program directors found them to be more appealing and accomplished candidates. Maybe you or your classmates should have been better.

]]> By: Samir Desai http://www.studentdoctor.net/2009/05/the-successful-match-interview-with-dr-marianne-green/#comment-7026 Samir Desai Thu, 21 May 2009 16:25:31 +0000 http://www.studentdoctor.net/?p=1772#comment-7026 Danzman raises a good point about the relationship between preclinical grades and class rank. In Dr. Green's study, program directors were asked to rank the importance of various residency selection criteria. Two of these criteria were preclinical grades and class rank. It is certainly true that preclinical grades are used to determine class rank at many schools. For the purposes of the study, however, program directors were considering preclinical grades alone (independent of their effects on class rank). A grade in a basic science course, in and of itself, is not a major factor used in the selection process (unless you fail). To answer Sammy's question, Dr. Green's study did not address the importance of residency selection criteria as it relates to the type of applicant. This would be a good area for future study. Samir Desai Danzman raises a good point about the relationship between preclinical grades and class rank. In Dr. Green’s study, program directors were asked to rank the importance of various residency selection criteria. Two of these criteria were preclinical grades and class rank. It is certainly true that preclinical grades are used to determine class rank at many schools. For the purposes of the study, however, program directors were considering preclinical grades alone (independent of their effects on class rank). A grade in a basic science course, in and of itself, is not a major factor used in the selection process (unless you fail).

To answer Sammy’s question, Dr. Green’s study did not address the importance of residency selection criteria as it relates to the type of applicant. This would be a good area for future study.

Samir Desai

]]> By: Jo http://www.studentdoctor.net/2009/05/the-successful-match-interview-with-dr-marianne-green/#comment-7024 Jo Thu, 21 May 2009 12:43:58 +0000 http://www.studentdoctor.net/?p=1772#comment-7024 The word Stolen is a bit Harsh don't you think so? Now the question for all those unmatched allopathic grads, Did you apply to enough programs? Probably NOT. Did you apply to that Low tier community program with no affiliation in the middle of nowhere where no one wants to go? Probably NOT. Did you apply to a backup specialty because you might go unmatched? Probably NOT. Allopathic grads are given first choice in everything from interviews to ranking positions, not that it is a problem, it should be that way, the programs should give first choice to their students. The problem lies when the students get picky and cocky on where they want to go and what they want to do, find themselves unmatched and start blaming it on FMG's, DO's instead of taking responsibility for their actions. Karma works out in Mysterious ways. Much Love, J. The word Stolen is a bit Harsh don’t you think so? Now the question for all those unmatched allopathic grads, Did you apply to enough programs? Probably NOT. Did you apply to that Low tier community program with no affiliation in the middle of nowhere where no one wants to go? Probably NOT. Did you apply to a backup specialty because you might go unmatched? Probably NOT. Allopathic grads are given first choice in everything from interviews to ranking positions, not that it is a problem, it should be that way, the programs should give first choice to their students. The problem lies when the students get picky and cocky on where they want to go and what they want to do, find themselves unmatched and start blaming it on FMG’s, DO’s instead of taking responsibility for their actions.
Karma works out in Mysterious ways.

Much Love,

J.

]]> By: Tess http://www.studentdoctor.net/2009/05/the-successful-match-interview-with-dr-marianne-green/#comment-7023 Tess Thu, 21 May 2009 00:49:02 +0000 http://www.studentdoctor.net/?p=1772#comment-7023 I do not understand the bias that allopathic students have against osteopathic students. We are just as qualified, and in many cases, more qualified, than allopathic students and should be allowed to match into any residency we choose. We are US grads, regardless of what Bill says. Our attendings constantly tell our school that our students are some of the best he has seen, even taking into account that many so-called "top" allopathic students rotate at the same sites. I think more research needs to be done on how program directors rank the COMLEX versus the USMLE, and where this fits in among rank, clinical grades, etc. Clearly, the interview process has something to do with choosing an applicant if all other factors are equal among those extended an interview. Thank you. I do not understand the bias that allopathic students have against osteopathic students. We are just as qualified, and in many cases, more qualified, than allopathic students and should be allowed to match into any residency we choose. We are US grads, regardless of what Bill says. Our attendings constantly tell our school that our students are some of the best he has seen, even taking into account that many so-called “top” allopathic students rotate at the same sites. I think more research needs to be done on how program directors rank the COMLEX versus the USMLE, and where this fits in among rank, clinical grades, etc. Clearly, the interview process has something to do with choosing an applicant if all other factors are equal among those extended an interview.

Thank you.

]]> By: Bill http://www.studentdoctor.net/2009/05/the-successful-match-interview-with-dr-marianne-green/#comment-7012 Bill Tue, 19 May 2009 10:54:38 +0000 http://www.studentdoctor.net/?p=1772#comment-7012 Please don't write about FMGs. They have stolen countless spots from more qualified US grads and the problem is only getting worse. Just this year a record number of US grads did not match in any program and were unable to find spots in the scramble. Something must be done about this disgusting process. Maybe a rematch? Maybe allowing US grads 72 hours to scramble before the FMGs and DOs run amok through our residencies. Something must be done. Protect our schools and our students futures. Please don’t write about FMGs. They have stolen countless spots from more qualified US grads and the problem is only getting worse. Just this year a record number of US grads did not match in any program and were unable to find spots in the scramble. Something must be done about this disgusting process. Maybe a rematch? Maybe allowing US grads 72 hours to scramble before the FMGs and DOs run amok through our residencies. Something must be done. Protect our schools and our students futures.

]]> By: Sammy http://www.studentdoctor.net/2009/05/the-successful-match-interview-with-dr-marianne-green/#comment-6984 Sammy Fri, 15 May 2009 18:55:15 +0000 http://www.studentdoctor.net/?p=1772#comment-6984 Dear Drs. Desai and Katta, Can we extend the findings in Dr. Green's survey to US-IMGs as well? Thank you. Sincerely, Sammy Dear Drs. Desai and Katta,

Can we extend the findings in Dr. Green’s survey to US-IMGs as well? Thank you.

Sincerely,
Sammy

]]> By: Danzman http://www.studentdoctor.net/2009/05/the-successful-match-interview-with-dr-marianne-green/#comment-6980 Danzman Fri, 15 May 2009 00:56:36 +0000 http://www.studentdoctor.net/?p=1772#comment-6980 Interesting. At one point you state that preclinical grades are "not important," yet you go on to say that class rank is the most important part of a MSPE. I understand that third year grades often have more of an impact on class rank than the first two years but it still stands to reason that preclinical grades are important to class rank. What do you think? Interesting. At one point you state that preclinical grades are “not important,” yet you go on to say that class rank is the most important part of a MSPE. I understand that third year grades often have more of an impact on class rank than the first two years but it still stands to reason that preclinical grades are important to class rank. What do you think?

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