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  • University of North Dakota School of Medicine and Health Sciences
  • Allopathic Medical School
  • Grand Forks
Individual Feedback 2 1 Responses
General Info

What graduating class are you in?

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2010 0
2011 0
2012 0
2013 0
2014 0
2015 0
2016 0
2017 0
2018 1
2019 0
2020 0
2021 0
2022 0
2023 0
2024 0

Are you pursuing any joint degrees (MD/PhD, MD/MPH, etc.)?

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No 1
BA/DO 0
BS/DO 0
DO/JD 0
DO/MA 0
DO/MBA 0
DO/MPH 0
DO/MS 0
DO/PhD 0
MD/JD 0
MD/MBA 0
MD/MPH 0
MD/MS 0
MD/PhD 0

Are you considered in-state or out-of-state for tuition purposes?

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in-state 1
out-of-state 0
international 0
Not applicable 0

What is your race/ethnic background?

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Caucasian 1
African American 0
Hispanic 0
Asian or Pacific Islander 0
Native American/ Native Alaskan 0
Other/Multiracial 0

Overall, how would you rate this medical program?

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3.00 1

0 = terrible, 10 = world class

What is the reputation of the school in the medical community?

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3.00 1

0 = really bad, 10 = top tier

What is the reputation of the research that goes on at this school?

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1.00 1

0 = really bad, 10 = top tier

What was your MCAT score?

Response Average # Responders
517 1

What was your undergrad GPA?

Response Average # Responders
3.45 1

What was your undergrad science GPA?

Response Average # Responders
3.65 1

What was the zip code of your residence in high school?

58103

What do you like most about this school?

"Cost, small class size, PCL, and getting to work directly with attendings." | Report Response

What do you like least about this school?

"Bureaucracy in administration, different administrators giving grossly different answers as to how tests are put together, if we're ranked and how, how AOA works, etc. - none of which is listed in any policies available to students. Overall administration does very little to address student concerns. It usually takes several years of consistent complaints from multiple classes for issues to be addressed, and when they are administration usually makes a very half-assed attempt. Outside of FM there is little to no faculty mentorship or guidance to help plan for applying to residency, and if you do seek out guidance from faculty most are so far removed from residency that they either give poor advice or none at all. The school re-uses >90% of exam questions from year to year, some of which come verbatim from resources students use to study (on one MCQ test 2nd year every single path question came word for word from Robbins Review of Pathology), some come from lectures that are no longer part of the curriculum or are now taught by different lecturers who don't cover the exact same material, or have been moved to different Blocks, and some questions have incorrect answers due to being based on old data or clinical guidelines that have since been updated and are covered in lecture, all of which just confirms that they reuse exams/questions. Current administration denies this and claim they put together new exams every year and that all lecturers are required to submit X number of questions for the exam. However, if you ask the lecturers many will say they never submitted questions, or if they did it was a number of years ago and they haven't since. The fact that the school pretty much uses the same exams year to year has been confirmed by upper classes, students who have had to repeat 1st or 2nd year, graduates, and faculty, some of whom were also involved in administration and curriculum planning (3 second year basic science faculty members and a campus dean who left after my 2nd year due to frustration with administration, as well as 2 current 1st year basic science profs. who also facilitate PCL). Test questions get passed down from previous classes and there's also a Google doc file that is shared between classes which contains several years of worth of entire MCQ and case exams and answers. It only takes 2-3 students to come up with every MCQ question after an exam, and exam reviews aren't monitored (they kind of are but VERY half-assedly) so anyone can take pictures of the exams and the correct answers with their phone or write things down. Students are also pretty nonchalant about looking-up answers on their phones during exams, which aren't supervised and are on an "honor" system. All of this has created a culture of cheating which gets progressively worse throughout 2nd year as students are preparing for Step. These specific issues, with evidence, have been reported to administration, however almost nothing has been done about it. One student who was reported to admin took the fall for one of the main students providing test questions, lied about how she/it/he got the info, and got off with a letter in it/his/her file, despite the fact that UND supposedly has a zero tolerance policy with cheating. I highly suspect that if UND addressed the test issue without making any other curriculum changes their Step 1 average (which is below the national average, but not statistically significant) would drop considerably, as the overlap between school lecture material and Step is awful, hence the wide spread cheating to allot for more Step prep. A significant amount of biochem, pharm, immunology, and embryology material is not covered in any lectures (I started making a list while studying and searched all of our pre-clinical lecture notes after taking Step to confirm) and needs to be self-taught for Step 1. Dedicated study time for Step 1 consists of 4 weeks (if you start the day after Block 8 exams and take Step the day prior to 3rd year orientation - so no time off between 2nd and 3rd year) during which the majority of the class has to relocate 1-4 hours away to a new campus. Many other schools give more dedicated study time for Step, and their student's don't have to worry about moving at the same time. In terms of Step prep, all UND offers are some sporadic, optional noon review sessions given by basic science faculty and 4th year students which mainly consist of going over old lecture PowerPoints. 3rd year rotations vary considerably between campuses. My Peds, FM, and Psych/Neuro rotations consisted solely of shadowing. I never saw patients on my own or presented patients to preceptors, even if I made the effort to pre-round during the inpatient portions. The minimum scores needed on the shelf exams for honors during 3rd year are set SIGNIFICANTLY higher compared to many other medical schools. Classes are very cliquey. If you didn't go to UND or Concordia for undergrad, appreciate actual music v. EDM, top 40 pop garbage, and country, aren't a bro, midwestern passive-aggressive, religious, or conservative you can either fake it to fit in, or accept being marginalized if you have any self integrity. In large classmates are not supportive of older/non-trad students or married students, particularly when it comes to picking 3rd and 4th year campuses. Apparently swapping campuses so classmates who have been dating for 2 months can be together takes priority over swapping campuses so the spouses of married students don't have to find new jobs, or so students with children don't have to move more than once during 3rd and 4th year." | Report Response

Please provide any other general comments on your school

"There's a significant disconnect between administration and students. If you suck-up, keep you mouth shut, play the game, and are either okay with just passing Step 1, or cheating on school exams to allot for more Step prep time you're fine. And as mentioned above administration doesn't really seem to care about student concerns and it takes A LOT for them to address them. Unfortunately the issues with administration have been getting progressively worse over the past several years and most of the admin that advocated for students have stepped down out of frustration. If you want to end-up in ND doing FM and/or a low-tier residency then UND is the place for you." | Report Response

Curriculum

How is the curriculum structured?

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Systems-based 1
Traditional 0

How many courses are taken at a given time?

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1 1
2 0
3 0
4 0
5 0
6 0
7 0
8 0
9 0
10 0

How long are you typically in class per day?

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<1 hour 0
1-2 hours 1
2-3 hours 0
3-4 hours 0
4-5 hours 0
5-6 hours 0
6> hours 0

Are courses recorded for medical students?

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Video recording 1
Free note taking service 0
Fee-based note taking service 0
Powerpoint slides provided only 0
None 0

How many days per week is anatomy lab?

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1 0
2 1
3 0
4 0
5 0
6 0
7 0

How many students per cadaver?

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Prosections only 0
1-2 0
3-4 0
5-6 0
7-8 1
>8 0

How long (in months) do you have anatomy?

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3 months 0
6 months 0
9 months 1
12 months 0
24 months 0

Is the curriculum lecture-centric or small-group centric?

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5.00 1

0 = 100% lecture, 10 = 100% small group

Are standardized patients used?

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yes 1
no 0

How much patient interaction is there in the pre-clinical years?

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0.00 1

0 = none, 10 = extensive

Are syllabi provided for the student?

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yes 0
no 1

How frequently do pre-clinical medical school activities have mandatory attendance?

"A few, usually no more than ~5 per block, though I believe this may have gone up after my class (class of 2018)." | Report Response

What books are necessary?

"One of the classic anatomy atlases and Haine's Neuroanatomy are really all that's needed the first 2 years outside of board review books as needed." | Report Response

What books are unnecessary?

"99% of the recommended ones. A lot are available on ClinicalKey as well." | Report Response

Is the curriculum designed to promote a specialty? If so, which specialty?

"The curriculum is designed to push students into family medicine or primary care internal medicine." | Report Response

Location & Housing

How do you feel about the location of the school?

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4.00 1

0 = Uncomfortable, 10 = Desirable

Do you feel safe on campus?

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10.00 1

0 = Not safe, 10 = Very safe

How available and convenient is public transportation?

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7.00 1

0 = Non-existent, 10 = Extensive & convenient

Is a car necessary at any point during your education here?

Response # Responders
Pre-clinical years 0
Clinical years 1
All years 0
No 0

If a car is required for education, how available and convenient is the parking provided to students?

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8.00 1

0 = Almost impossible, 10 = Available & convenient

Is on-campus housing available?

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yes 1
no 0

What is the quality of available on-campus housing?

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7.00 1

0 = terrible, 10 = great

What percentage of your medical school classmates would you estimate live on campus, if on-campus housing is available?

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1.00 1

0 = 0%, 10 = 100%

Is couples housing available?

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yes 1
no 0

Is nearby off-campus housing available?

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yes 1
no 0

How expensive is nearby off-campus housing?

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6.00 1

0 = exorbitant, 10 = reasonable

Please describe the on-campus housing if available (i.e., cost, type - studios, 1-br, 2-br, etc.)?

"Never used it, but have never heard anything negative." | Report Response

Cost/Financial Aid

Are fees/tuition expensive?

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9.00 1

0 = exorbitant, 10 = reasonable

How is the cost of living (rent, food, bills, etc.)?

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8.00 1

0 = exorbitant, 10 = reasonable

Are many institutional scholarships/grants available?

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1.00 1

0 = none, 10 = many

Is institutional aid need-based or merit-based?

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Need-based 0
Merit-based 1
Both 0

Faculty/Grades

Are faculty members very open to students during office hours?

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6.00 1

0 = Not at all, 10 = Very open

Are faculty members very available to students via email/message board?

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9.00 1

0 = Not at all, 10 = Very available

Are there many opportunities to shadow/work with clinical faculty?

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8.00 1

0 = none, 10 = lots

Are the faculty willing to mentor students in regards to career guidance?

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3.00 1

0 = no, 10 = very

Is the class ranked?

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yes 1
no 0

How is the instructional faculty during pre-clinical years?

"1st year faculty seem decent until you start studying for/take Step. 2nd year has 2 good pathology professors and 1 god awful one (refuses to record lectures and lectures are poorly organized with a lot of extraneous info), 1 solid micro professor is left, and 1 pharm lecturer who, although being super nice, gives terrible lectures (PowerPoints are pretty much unusable, poorly organized, and littered with extraneous information - you pretty much have to rely on Step sources to learn pharm for block exams and Step). 1 pathology professor and 2 microbiology professors (all of whom were excellent teachers and were tenured) left after my class finished 2nd year due to being frustrated with administration. Instead of replacing the 2 micro professors (both of whom gave a 2 year advance notice that they would be leaving) the school chose to just replay their recorded lectures from previous years." | Report Response

How is the instructional faculty during clinical years?

"Varies considerably per attending and campus." | Report Response

What is the grading scale used during pre-clinical years?

"1st year - pass fail 2nd year - honors, pass, fail" | Report Response

What is the grading scale used during clinical years?

"Honors, pass, fail" | Report Response

Clinical Rotations

Are the desired rotation sites easy to obtain?

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2.00 1

0 = difficult, 10 = easy

Is desired rotation order easy to obtain?

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5.00 1

0 = difficult, 10 = easy

Are the elective rotations easy to obtain?

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3.00 1

0 = difficult, 10 = easy

Is there substantial hands-on experience for medical students?

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9.00 1

0 = none, 10 = substantial

Are the rotation sites conveniently accessible for medical students?

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10.00 1

0 = difficult, 10 = accessible

How far are the clinical sites from the main campus?

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10.00 1

0 = far away, 10 = close

How are clinical rotations scheduled? What are the required rotations?

"You pick reverse order of the order 3rd and 4th year sites are chosen. Some secretaries will make an effort to try and get you the hospital/preceptor you want, but others vehemently refuse. Required rotations: 3rd year - IM, FM, OB/Gyn, Surg, Peds, Psych/Neuro 4th year - Ortho/Surg AI" | Report Response

What responsibility do med students have on the wards?

"It depends considerably on the campus, facility, and attending. OB/Gyn, FM, Psych/Neuro, and Peds were 99% shadowing for me (no notes, no rounding, no presenting patients, etc.)" | Report Response

What is the status/condition of the affiliated hospital(s)?

"All are volunteer, none are true teaching hospitals, and none are level 1 trauma centers. Student access to medical records varies considerably between clinical sites which can be very frustrating when rounding/charting and preparing for presentations. At, at least 2 different hospitals students couldn't view orders, I/O, pt. meds or the MAR, or the OR schedule which required having nurses look-up this info for you, and at multiple site students don't have access to outpatient records (this is particularly frustrating when having to prepare patient case presentations) ." | Report Response

What is the typical patient population medical students work with?

"Very basic bread and butter. Very rarely does interesting pathology come through, and if it does those patients are almost always sent to tertiary facilities out of state." | Report Response

Social Environment

Do students do a lot of activities outside of school together?

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7.00 1

0 = none, 10 = lots

How would you rank student involvement in extracurricular clubs?

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6.00 1

0 = none, 10 = lots

What is the range of extracurricular clubs available?

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2.00 1

0 = almost none, 10 = wide range

Is the student body cooperative or competitive?

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2.00 1

0 = competitive, 10 = cooperative

Is the environment supportive for underrepresented minorities?

Response Avg # Responders
5.00 1

0 = no, 10 = very

Is the environment supportive for lesbian/gay/bisexual/transsexual students?

Response Avg # Responders
4.00 1

0 = no, 10 = very

Is the environment supportive for married students?

Response Avg # Responders
1.00 1

0 = no, 10 = very

Is the environment supportive for students with disabilities?

Response Avg # Responders
7.00 1

0 = no, 10 = very

Is the environment supportive for older/non-traditional students?

Response Avg # Responders
0.00 1

0 = no, 10 = very

What do the students typically like to do in the area?

"It's North Dakota - all there is to do is drink and go to church." | Report Response

Post Graduation

How do graduates from this school fare in residency and clinical practice?

"It's a community program that HEAVILY pushes primary care, so students tend to gravitate towards those programs. If a student wants an even somewhat competitive residency or specialty its up to him/her to bust his/her balls and make out of state connections. A number of my attendings (mainly IM and Surg) who were UND grads that did residency elsewhere had poor opinions about the clinical education at UND and did not feel as prepared for residency as many of their classmates in residency." | Report Response

What do you believe residency directors think about graduates from this program?

"Indifferent." | Report Response

Is this school known for producing physicians strong in a certain area? If so, which area?

"I thought FM until I had an attending not know how to work-up and subsequently miss a textbook case of hypothyroidism, one miss a pancreatic cancer diagnosis in a patient with anorexia and constant watery diarrhea who lost 25 lbs in 1.5 months, was jaundice, had multiple electrolyte disturbances, and had significant epigastric tenderness (apparently because the patient drank 1-2 beers 3-4 nights per week he was an alcoholic and that explained his symptoms, so there was no issue leaving any imaging or further work-up for the ER doc in Florida who diagnosed him 2 days later shortly after he got off the plane to visit his daughter...), two who prescribed 25mg of Zoloft to patients with depression who (unsurprisingly) didn't get better after 2 weeks and referred those patients to psych for "treatment refractory depression", because apparently prescribing SSRIs at a dose that's actually therapeutic and waiting up to 6 weeks for an effect before trying a different med is well beyond the scope of a FM physician (I'm sure psychiatrists just LOVE getting such interesting, difficult, and complex referrals), and one who regularly prescribed BusPar PRN, all of whom were graduates of UND and its residency programs. So I guess UND produces a lot of FM docs, but I really can't say they produce good/strong ones. All of my more memorable attendings (in a good way) did all of their training out of state." | Report Response

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