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Ever feel like yelling at the sky about something? Ever wanted to go on a 5 minute soliloquy, but worry about the side eye that your coworkers may give you?

Well do it here. I'm curious what's on everyone's mind related to the field.

(It's also good reading sometimes)

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(Warning: this is going to be mostly stream-of-consciousness)

How the hell are we going to fix the state of undergraduate psychology education? We do a horrible job. We are oversaturated with undergraduate majors, most of who will not leave college with a fundamental grasp on the principles of scientific inquiry/methods and (proper) statistical sophistication required to even have a working capacity to evaluate social scientific claims. We are oversaturated with undergraduate majors who want a psych degree because either (a) they think it's easy (and in many ways, it is too easy...); (b) they think it's like Criminal Minds; (c) they think psychology is completely about mental health and nothing else; (d) they have been told they're a good listener and want to be a therapist for no other reason; or (e) they want to learn secret mind hacks and delve into the "mysteries of the psyche" *cringe.* We are oversaturated with undergraduate majors who want to be psychologists but have no idea what that entails, but damn it, a master's license just isn't enough! We are oversaturated with professors/instructors who don't have clinical backgrounds who themselves do not understand the nuances of mental health licensure pathways or the actual differences between a PsyD and a PhD (so that inevitably some student is like, "Well my psych professor told me a PsyD is more clinical than a PhD, and that's what I want to do because I don't like research!"). We are oversaturated and doing a horrible job at setting clear expectations in students' minds early on about what the field is actually about, what the epistemic methods actually are, and what/who grad school is for, and how to to know if it's for you. We are uniquely sucky among the sciences at providing students with proper career and educational guidance. Some of that is because we are such a massively broad field, true, but some of it is fixable and needs to fixed.
 
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Ever feel like yelling at the sky about something? Ever wanted to go on a 5 minute soliloquy, but worry about the side eye that your coworkers may give you?

Well do it here. I'm curious what's on everyone's mind related to the field.

(It's also good reading sometimes)
Overdiagnosis of PTSD --> exponential growth of disability (veteran and SSDI) compensation year to year

The secret is out. It is a 'gold rush' situation (PTSD is based on self-report). The sky's the limit. There's no 'governor' or controller on the explosion of cases and disability claims.

Most people (even in the field, even at VA) are either (a) totally unaware of the issue, (b) aware of the issue but terrified to say so and therefore pretend that it doesn't exist, or (c) are aware of the issue but cynically 'go along' with it to their advantage.

Most people (even in the field, even at VA) think that 'compensation and pension' exams for it (or SS disability exams) are somehow 'thorough' and 'accurate' for this condition. If you know anything about the nature of the average (and majority) of such exams, you know that they are pathetically inadequate and almost always 'confirm' the presence of the condition for disability purposes.

And, just in the past couple of weeks, we have the following news developments: (1) basically, though enjoying MASSIVE budget increases, year-to-year, VA is defending a decision to 'not fill' and 'not hire' for healthcare and mental healthcare provider positions (we have several at our site, I am currently doing the job that THREE FULL-TIME psychologists did for years); and (2) VA 'senior executives' (over 180 of them) at central office received bonuses last year between approximately 60k-100k and, though they did an OIG investigation, found it was improper, and are 'trying' to claw back the money (and getting resistance), why the hell do we need 180+ 'senior execs' at central office pushing paper around and why are they getting such MASSIVE 'bonuses' while we say we don't have the funds to fill psychotherapist positions (while being backed up in clinics for months)?
 
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ASD is outta control and will be a meaningless diagnosis.

Not a fully thought out gripe: I feel like I'm watching ABA die... The field will become ruined, reimbursements will lower, private equity en****ification, and weak in treating autism as it continuously gives up effective behavioral interventions. ABA is emblematic of a larger issue about the USA - how to handle guilt from the past. (boo hoo someone used ABA in unethical manners). A field that was mostly male is now becoming becoming mostly female (women are much more kumbaya/less disagreeable) and they get more captured about colleges of education, which are cesspools of postmodernist thinking. Not that women in the field is a bad thing, it's just that too much of a desire for kumbaya and emotional appeasement of critical justice tends to ruin science. Remember teaching circa 1900-1970s used to be considered an honorable profession. This has mirrors in modern public education. Once the focus shifted from teaching kids to read and do math, and schools were taxed with fixing all of society's problems, schools lost the plot. DIrect instruction is still the clear winner. Once the science is over, the field is over. My god this sexist.

IF we are gonna expand trauma, more people need trauma - post traumatic growth is also a thing.

Edit: I striked through that comment and thankfully some people I have massive respect for checked me.
 
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At some point the VA is gonna switch to ICD-11 and it's gonna be a bigger fustercluck than it already is. People that meet criteria for PTSD under DSM will not under ICD-11, and that's not even touching the fact that we have a diagnosis recognized by one system and not another (Complex PTSD). I don't know why they think it's sustainable to diagnose with one system and bill with another. My colleague thinks this would never happen outside of mental health.

Also, when I see colleagues diagnose C-PTSD after we switch to 11, part of me will die inside.
 
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Disruptive mood dysregulation disorder that happens only when a kid is told to do something or transfer to a nonpreferred task is oppositional defiant disorder.
 
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Disruptive mood dysregulation disorder that happens only when a kid is told to do something or transfer to a nonpreferred task is oppositional defiant disorder.
Isn't this, like, a given? Couldn't anyone with a modicum of deductive reasoning make that assumption based off the names of the disorders?
 
Isn't this, like, a given? Couldn't anyone with a modicum of deductive reasoning make that assumption based off the names of the disorders?
You would be surprised. Most psychologists diagnosing it don't understand it.
 
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I don't believe in hypomania. A part of me dies when I see people say they are bipolar because they have periods of slightly more energy and do a lot of amazon shopping.
 
I don't believe in hypomania. A part of me dies when I see people say they are bipolar because they have periods of slightly more energy and do a lot of amazon shopping.
Can’t tell if this is a joke that I’m missing or what, but uh…hypomania is objectively a real thing. It isn’t just the things you listed, but it’s a real thing.
 
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At some point the VA is gonna switch to ICD-11 and it's gonna be a bigger fustercluck than it already is. People that meet criteria for PTSD under DSM will not under ICD-11, and that's not even touching the fact that we have a diagnosis recognized by one system and not another (Complex PTSD). I don't know why they think it's sustainable to diagnose with one system and bill with another. My colleague thinks this would never happen outside of mental health.

Also, when I see colleagues diagnose C-PTSD after we switch to 11, part of me will die inside.
Also, if I am not mistaken, the 'Criterion A' "gate" of, basically, a truly 'traumatic' event requirement from the DSM system is absent from the ICD criteria.

Do away with Criterion A qualifying event and you may as well eliminate PTSD as a diagnostic category. Excerpt from a recent text: "...there is considerably less attention in the ICD-11 than in the DSM-5 given to the importance of PTE (potentially traumatic event) assessment and for making careful determinations of whether individuals have experienced a qualifying PTE or not."

I mean, it's bad enough already (under DSM-5). If the VA adopts the ICD-11 criteria... holy cow. I guess that science/logic is no match for sociopolitical drives nowadays. Everyone will officially have 'the ptsd' now. Once it reaches 98% prevalence, maybe we can do away with it as a special disability.
 
Also, if I am not mistaken, the 'Criterion A' "gate" requirement of, basically, a truly 'traumaric' event requirement from the DSM system is absent from the ICD criteria.

Do away with Criterion A qualifying event and you may as well eliminate PTSD as a diagnostic category. Excerpt from a recent text: "...there is considerably less attention in the ICD-11 than in the DSM-5 given to the importance of PTE (potentially traumatic event) assessment and for making careful determinations of whether individuals have experienced a qualifying PTE or not."

I mean, it's bad enough already (under DSM-5). If the VA adopts the ICD-11 criteria... holy cow.

It's not as explicit as DSM-5, but they do generally say it has to be threatening or horrifying. I don't think DSM will ever abandon Criterion A, at least, and that is what we use to diagnose in the VA (even if we don't code based on it).
 
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It's not as explicit as DSM-5, but they do generally say it has to be threatening or horrifying. I don't think DSM will ever abandon Criterion A, at least, and that is what we use to diagnose in the VA (even if we don't code based on it).
Okay, thanks for the correction! I wasn't familiar with the actual ICD-11 criteria. That is (somewhat) reassuring.

However, isn't the focus on the experience of the event as being subjectively experienced as 'extremely threatening or horrifying" simply UNDOING/reversing the (empirically-supported) decision to remove Criterion A2 (requiring a reaction of "fear/helplessness/horror" to the event) from the DSM-IV definition of PTSD??? Around and around we go..
 
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ASD is outta control and will be a meaningless diagnosis.

Not a fully thought out gripe: I feel like I'm watching ABA die... The field will become ruined, reimbursements will lower, private equity en****ification, and weak in treating autism as it continuously gives up effective behavioral interventions. ABA is emblematic of a larger issue about the USA - how to handle guilt from the past. (boo hoo someone used ABA in unethical manners). A field that was mostly male is now becoming becoming mostly female (women are much more kumbaya/less disagreeable) and they get more captured about colleges of education, which are cesspools of postmodernist thinking. Not that women in the field is a bad thing, it's just that too much of a desire for kumbaya and emotional appeasement of critical justice tends to ruin science. Remember teaching circa 1900-1970s used to be considered an honorable profession. This has mirrors in modern public education. Once the focus shifted from teaching kids to read and do math, and schools were taxed with fixing all of society's problems, schools lost the plot. DIrect instruction is still the clear winner. Once the science is over, the field is over. My god this sexist.

IF we are gonna expand trauma, more people need trauma - post traumatic growth is also a thing.
Interesting take. Here's mine:

-ASD is not THE ONLY explanation for problems in social reciprocity
-Not all differences (from societal norms) in social reciprocity is indicative of pathology
-There is probably not one thing that is "autism" that falls along a linear spectrum, but rather multiple spectrums that reflect different underlying pathologies/etiologies
-ABA has benefitted EXPONENTIALLY from the shared experiences of clients who have received ABA services in the past. The field expanded greatly with the wave of Autism insurance mandate legislations in 10-15 years ago, and we now have a very large cohort of young adults that grew up with ABA who now- to paraphrase Catherine Maurice- have a voice that we can hear. If we don't listen, we are being obstinate jerks! It makes us better clinicians when listen to our current and past clients (it also- IMHO- makes our conferences much more interesting when, instead of purely technical talks, there are many more things like panel discussions related to how we apply our technology, how we revise it- or not- based on the perspectives of client, and how we revise what we do to meet changing societal trends). Of course when you start listening to everybody, you are going to a lot of things that are extreme (or even just wrong). But you listen to that stuff in order to hear the stuff that is true or more nuanced.
-It's about time that ABA started to make the distinction between "assent" and "consent" and to operationalize assent and incorporate it into our ethics code.
-As pertains to the "guilt from our past", in ABA that past was not that long ago- things like skin shock aversives were only "officially" declared not what we do in the past few years, and the legal challenges from the side that wants to do it are still in the courts. Many practitioners still use default (e.g., non-function based) restraint and response interruption procedures to address repetitive behaviors without any concern for the adaptive, functional nature that these non-harmful behaviors serve for the individual who engages in them. Conversion therapy is barely out of our rear view mirror and many would like it to visible out the windshield. There is still often the expectation of asexuality in individuals with developmental delays, and any non-heteronormative sexuality or sexual behaviors are often seen as a secondary symptom of the DD and associated social problems, rather than just general variance in human sexuality and gender expression.
-I'd suggest being careful with statements (even sarcastically) along the lines of "boo hoo someone used ABA in an unethical manner"- MANY folks who received unethical care and were caused significant emotional or physical harm as a result are still around (and may even be here!) and this does nothing but discount their negative experiences and make them less likely to listen to anything we might say. Seriously-that's a really bad take! But who the heck am I to challenge that
-There are certainly more females than males in the direct treatment and BCBA levels of the ABA field (more specifically, the early intensive behavior intervention-EIBI- with young kids with autism field. I think this is more reflective of overall societal bias against males working with young children. I do think that that's unfortunate, as the kids (and their families) might get something different seeing some positive male role models. Conversely, this bias also limits males access to the benefits of working with younger children. In my area, the lack of non-white, Spanish speaking people in my field is- imho- more of a problem than the lack of males.
-As to your allusion that more females= "more kumbaya/less disagreeable"- assuming that you have actually observed this to be true, perhaps it's a reflection of where you are located, the females you typically encounter, or the females you pay attention to. It is not my overall impression of the women I encounter, including professionally in the context of my teaching ABA graduate courses or working with many women in ABA. I'm old enough to remember going the regional and national ABA conferences and it was largely a group of middle-aged men wearing ill fitting suits with sneakers (or as they called them "tennis shoes"), carrying around briefcases full of cumulative records. We are much better now that we have different perspectives. It's harder to manage it all (especially when it's us that really should challenge our long-held beliefs and problematic behavior), but it'd right.
-EIBI is very much a masters level dominated field, and the graduate training is often, in my humble opinion, not great and too focused on preparing students to pass the BCBA exam, rather act as a professional BCBA. High quality supervision is hard to find. There is GREAT work and research being done at the doctoral and doctoral training level, but MA level practitioners are not accessing it.
-It is F**king ridiculous that our big national ABA conference is held on Memorial Day Weekend. You miss family time, spend a holiday traveling, everything is more expensive (hotels, flights), and it's kind of disrespectful to the original intent of the holiday.
 
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I'm a woman and I would not at all say that I'm a kumbaya type of therapist! Just look at how many downvotes I've gotten in the therapist subreddit
 
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I like his stance on smartphones for kids, though
 
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Interesting take. Here's mine:

-ASD is not THE ONLY explanation for problems in social reciprocity
-Not all differences (from societal norms) in social reciprocity is indicative of pathology
-There is probably not one thing that is "autism" that falls along a linear spectrum, but rather multiple spectrums that reflect different underlying pathologies/etiologies
-ABA has benefitted EXPONENTIALLY from the shared experiences of clients who have received ABA services in the past. The field expanded greatly with the wave of Autism insurance mandate legislations in 10-15 years ago, and we now have a very large cohort of young adults that grew up with ABA who now- to paraphrase Catherine Maurice- have a voice that we can hear. If we don't listen, we are being obstinate jerks! It makes us better clinicians when listen to our current and past clients (it also- IMHO- makes our conferences much more interesting when, instead of purely technical talks, there are many more things like panel discussions related to how we apply our technology, how we revise it- or not- based on the perspectives of client, and how we revise what we do to meet changing societal trends). Of course when you start listening to everybody, you are going to a lot of things that are extreme (or even just wrong). But you listen to that stuff in order to hear the stuff that is true or more nuanced.
-It's about time that ABA started to make the distinction between "assent" and "consent" and to operationalize assent and incorporate it into our ethics code.
-As pertains to the "guilt from our past", in ABA that past was not that long ago- things like skin shock aversives were only "officially" declared not what we do in the past few years, and the legal challenges from the side that wants to do it are still in the courts. Many practitioners still use default (e.g., non-function based) restraint and response interruption procedures to address repetitive behaviors without any concern for the adaptive, functional nature that these non-harmful behaviors serve for the individual who engages in them. Conversion therapy is barely out of our rear view mirror and many would like it to visible out the windshield. There is still often the expectation of asexuality in individuals with developmental delays, and any non-heteronormative sexuality or sexual behaviors are often seen as a secondary symptom of the DD and associated social problems, rather than just general variance in human sexuality and gender expression.
-I'd suggest being careful with statements (even sarcastically) along the lines of "boo hoo someone used ABA in an unethical manner"- MANY folks who received unethical care and were caused significant emotional or physical harm as a result are still around (and may even be here!) and this does nothing but discount their negative experiences and make them less likely to listen to anything we might say. Seriously-that's a really bad take! But who the heck am I to challenge that
-There are certainly more females than males in the direct treatment and BCBA levels of the ABA field (more specifically, the early intensive behavior intervention-EIBI- with young kids with autism field. I think this is more reflective of overall societal bias against males working with young children. I do think that that's unfortunate, as the kids (and their families) might get something different seeing some positive male role models. Conversely, this bias also limits males access to the benefits of working with younger children. In my area, the lack of non-white, Spanish speaking people in my field is- imho- more of a problem than the lack of males.
-As to your allusion that more females= "more kumbaya/less disagreeable"- assuming that you have actually observed this to be true, perhaps it's a reflection of where you are located, the females you typically encounter, or the females you pay attention to. It is not my overall impression of the women I encounter, including professionally in the context of my teaching ABA graduate courses or working with many women in ABA. I'm old enough to remember going the regional and national ABA conferences and it was largely a group of middle-aged men wearing ill fitting suits with sneakers (or as they called them "tennis shoes"), carrying around briefcases full of cumulative records. We are much better now that we have different perspectives. It's harder to manage it all (especially when it's us that really should challenge our long-held beliefs and problematic behavior), but it'd right.
-EIBI is very much a masters level dominated field, and the graduate training is often, in my humble opinion, not great and too focused on preparing students to pass the BCBA exam, rather act as a professional BCBA. High quality supervision is hard to find. There is GREAT work and research being done at the doctoral and doctoral training level, but MA level practitioners are not accessing it.
-It is F**king ridiculous that our big national ABA conference is held on Memorial Day Weekend. You miss family time, spend a holiday traveling, everything is more expensive (hotels, flights), and it's kind of disrespectful to the original intent of the holiday.
I deserved this. Thanks for your serving of humble pie. I always appreciate it.
 
I deserved this. Thanks for your serving of humble pie. I always appreciate it.
Hah- I still get frustrated with this stuff quite often. It's so damn busy and you just want to do what you do without being bothered. There's definitely a lot of nonsensical claims thrown at ABA (and psychology in general), and it can be hard to separate those from the legit points and criticisms. I hate to play the "wise old sage" role, but I've learned that getting pissed off about this stuff a) doesn't change anyone's view on anything; b) makes me feel worse: and c) gets in the way of positive change in the field. I used to get pissed off alot about this stuff, so I know that of which I speak!

I was at a conference last week (MassABA) and one of the speakers gave a good sample retort (paraphrased here) to criticisms of our field's history:

"Yes, I am acutely aware of our past- the good, the bad, and the ugly. I have learned to listen to and learn from these criticisms- including yours- to make sure I'm always doing better and looking out for the overall best interest and highest quality of life for my clients. Now, why don't we go over your specific concerns in more detail and I we can talk about how we will work together to make sure that those things don't happen to you/your child/etc."

Defuses, points out that you are listening to their concerns (and don't say it if you aren't willing to ACTUALLY listen), and leads to a concrete plan of addressing those concerns. If that all doesn't work, then they are probably not really interested in what you have to offer anyways.

That all said, I often find myself ranting silently that don't you think that if we had the technology to "turn kids into robots" I'd be a wealthy man helping parents turn their kids into rule following, nap taking, sleeping all night, toys picking up robots? You give us and our technology WAY too much credit with that criticism.
 
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I'm a woman and I would not at all say that I'm a kumbaya type of therapist! Just look at how many downvotes I've gotten in the therapist subreddit
Can confirm
 
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I'm a woman and I would not at all say that I'm a kumbaya type of therapist! Just look at how many downvotes I've gotten in the therapist subreddit
I probably deserve this, too. The problem with sexism is it appears to not be super accurate.
 
Hah- I still get frustrated with this stuff quite often. It's so damn busy and you just want to do what you do without being bothered. There's definitely a lot of nonsensical claims thrown at ABA (and psychology in general), and it can be hard to separate those from the legit points and criticisms. I hate to play the "wise old sage" role, but I've learned that getting pissed off about this stuff a) doesn't change anyone's view on anything; b) makes me feel worse: and c) gets in the way of positive change in the field. I used to get pissed off alot about this stuff, so I know that of which I speak!

I was at a conference last week (MassABA) and one of the speakers gave a good sample retort (paraphrased here) to criticisms of our field's history:

"Yes, I am acutely aware of our past- the good, the bad, and the ugly. I have learned to listen to and learn from these criticisms- including yours- to make sure I'm always doing better and looking out for the overall best interest and highest quality of life for my clients. Now, why don't we go over your specific concerns in more detail and I we can talk about how we will work together to make sure that those things don't happen to you/your child/etc."

Defuses, points out that you are listening to their concerns (and don't say it if you aren't willing to ACTUALLY listen), and leads to a concrete plan of addressing those concerns. If that all doesn't work, then they are probably not really interested in what you have to offer anyways.

That all said, I often find myself ranting silently that don't you think that if we had the technology to "turn kids into robots" I'd be a wealthy man helping parents turn their kids into rule following, nap taking, sleeping all night, toys picking up robots? You give us and our technology WAY too much credit with that criticism.
Oddly, the moment I read your comment about white dudes in bad fitting suits, I realized my comments were mostly wrong. I actually LOVE how active ABA has been in updating ethics/professional standards. Psychologists only do that when there's a scandal.

But, I do tend to have a bias against psychopharmacology (more specifically the antipsychotics in kids with autism and IDD). I do think CESS MIGHT have a place in the toolbox, when nearly all other feasible/practical interventions have been tried. How do they connect antipsychotics and aversives? Antipsychotics are given out like candy to people with neurodevelopmental disabilities and they almost always mess up hormones and cause metabolic disease. It seriously bums me out as metabolic issues often lead to life shortening conditions, when maybe a short course could create more learning.

I find it fishy that CESS in the ABAI review basically took the above position, but the position statement from ABAI went in the other direction.
 
I don't know if anyone else here is on the DBT listserv, but there are periodic eruptions of arguments over the Israel-Palestine conflict. It was quiet for a while but it just started back up today. I'm just sitting back and watching.
 
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I don't know if anyone else here is on the DBT listserv, but there are periodic eruptions of arguments over the Israel-Palestine conflict. It was quiet for a while but it just started back up today. I'm just sitting back and watching.

Why? Do they plan on solving it with DBT? If not, stop clogging up people's inboxes.
 
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Why? Do they plan on solving it with DBT? If not, stop clogging up people's inboxes.

The DBT listserv seems to consider itself a community, like an extended DBT team, so the rupture between members was pretty upsetting.

The thing is, this is never gonna be resolved. These sides are never gonna agree. It's not a productive way to spend time.
 
The DBT listserv seems to consider itself a community, like an extended DBT team, so the rupture between members was pretty upsetting.

The thing is, this is never gonna be resolved. These sides are never gonna agree. It's not a productive way to spend time.

I am a member of several professional listservs and groups where there are overlapping members that know each other well. Keep it to professional topics. Less drama that way (though still plenty in some of them).
 
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I don't know if anyone else here is on the DBT listserv, but there are periodic eruptions of arguments over the Israel-Palestine conflict. It was quiet for a while but it just started back up today. I'm just sitting back and watching.
The APA Div 48 listserv actually got shutdown because there were lots of very intense arguments (ironic given the division). Still hasn't been restarted, as of yet, I believe.
 
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The APA Div 48 listserv actually got shutdown because there were lots of very intense arguments (ironic given the division). Still hasn't been restarted, as of yet, I believe.

AACNs listserv went through several rounds of shutdown following some fairly tame discussions.
 
Micro-rants:

1) Z codes need to be used 1MM times more often. Insurance should allowed limited treatment for Z codes. Maybe if people had a way to get help, we would not need to pathologize normal human reactions .

2) I think that PTO is the largest theft from the American worker. It has created enormous barriers to normla levels of human social interaction, destroyed vacationing, and required pathology to do normal stuff. I also think that pto is horrible for the eco Lou, as it allows companies to employ one person for 80hrs of work, when two are needed. I think that this is horrible for the economy. I think that this entire system limited social supports, leading people to seek psychotherapy in lieu of normal social advice.

3) Therapeutic confrontation is wildly underused. Maybe telling patients that they are a little neurotic, and their current complaints are ridiculous, would lead to better outcomes. Maybe telling fakers that they are faking and to GTFO would be a better use of everyone's time. Looking at you, Tick Tock.

4) If you make a diagnosis that directly contradicts the DSM, I should be allowed to hit you over the head with that text while yelling, "This person is too lazy to read 10 pages from the DSM". And then you should have to wear a shirt that says something about you being a bad psychologist, for like a month. This also applies to anyone that bases their practice on popular press books.

5) Psychologists are too nice to counselors and social workers. 2 years of education < 7 years. Basic math. I don't understand why psychologists don't point out the numerical differences.

6) Psychologists probably need a lot more education in medical conditions that mimic psychiatric illness.

7) I am LOVING the fact that telemedicine is disrupting the dreaded 50/50 split BS.

8) Some of the new specialty postdoc training requirements are hypocrisy at its finest. If the older people could learn to that subspecialty without a formal training curriculum, then it is possible now. If it is not possible, then all of the senior people need to go back to postdoc.

9) Only a fool accepts the premise that any political decision is limited to two choices.
 
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Micro-rants:

4) If you make a diagnosis that directly contradicts the DSM, I should be allowed to hit you over the head with that text while yelling, "This person is too lazy to read 10 pages from the DSM". And then you should have to wear a shirt that says something about you being a bad psychologist, for like a month. This also applies to anyone that bases their practice on popular press books.

Does that go for all MH professionals? If so, you are going to be really busy.
 
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AACNs listserv went through several rounds of shutdown following some fairly tame discussions.
This reminds me of when I was in HS and part of ski club. We were all loaded onto the bus about to make the 12 hour drive to a ski resort in a neighboring state and all the sudden 5 teachers get on the bus and told everyone to stand up and leave the bus one by one. They patted us down as we left. Then when we were all off they checked everyone's bags. Turns out someone told the teacher one of my peers brought edibles and they ended up finding them in his backpack. They canceled the trip for the rest of us.

I just wanted to eat watermelon sour patch kids and drink mountain dew for 12 hours straight and have a fun weekend snowboarding, but the teachers just had to cancel the trip for everyone...
 
(Warning: this is going to be mostly stream-of-consciousness)

How the hell are we going to fix the state of undergraduate psychology education? We do a horrible job. We are oversaturated with undergraduate majors, most of who will not leave college with a fundamental grasp on the principles of scientific inquiry/methods and (proper) statistical sophistication required to even have a working capacity to evaluate social scientific claims. We are oversaturated with undergraduate majors who want a psych degree because either (a) they think it's easy (and in many ways, it is too easy...); (b) they think it's like Criminal Minds; (c) they think psychology is completely about mental health and nothing else; (d) they have been told they're a good listener and want to be a therapist for no other reason; or (e) they want to learn secret mind hacks and delve into the "mysteries of the psyche" *cringe.* We are oversaturated with undergraduate majors who want to be psychologists but have no idea what that entails, but damn it, a master's license just isn't enough! We are oversaturated with professors/instructors who don't have clinical backgrounds who themselves do not understand the nuances of mental health licensure pathways or the actual differences between a PsyD and a PhD (so that inevitably some student is like, "Well my psych professor told me a PsyD is more clinical than a PhD, and that's what I want to do because I don't like research!"). We are oversaturated and doing a horrible job at setting clear expectations in students' minds early on about what the field is actually about, what the epistemic methods actually are, and what/who grad school is for, and how to to know if it's for you. We are uniquely sucky among the sciences at providing students with proper career and educational guidance. Some of that is because we are such a massively broad field, true, but some of it is fixable and needs to fixed.

Felt this in my soul. My undergraduate education was a joke and very little guidance or insight was offered regarding the field.

I think that every "Introduction to Psychology" course should have a mandatory first day that includes a talk about:

1. Expectations on education
2. Job possibilities and necessities for the various levels of schooling
3. Transparent salary talk
4. Misconceptions about Psychology

Then also have a general Q&A about a Psychology Undergraduate and its realistic uses.

Hell, have this included in any "XXXX 1000" class.
 
Felt this in my soul. My undergraduate education was a joke and very little guidance or insight was offered regarding the field.

I think that every "Introduction to Psychology" course should have a mandatory first day that includes a talk about:

1. Expectations on education
2. Job possibilities and necessities for the various levels of schooling
3. Transparent salary talk
4. Misconceptions about Psychology

Then also have a general Q&A about a Psychology Undergraduate and its realistic uses.

Hell, have this included in any "XXXX 1000" class.
Lilienfeld et al.'s 50 Great Myths and Misconceptions about Psychology should be required reading in all PSYC 101 courses. Do I recommend Lilienfeld as a source in almost every thread on this forum? Yes. Am I slightly obsessed with his pro-science, anti-pseudoscience work? Yes. Do I feel embarrassed about it? A little. Will I stop? No.
 
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Here's another one:

Yes, the DSM is flawed and needs lots of work. The dissociative disorders section alone is an exercise in making an entire diagnostic clade without much supporting evidence. However, no, you aren't clever and progressive just because you go on a psych- or therapy-related Reddit sub and comment "DSM sux and only serves pharma and insurance companies." Everyone knows the DSM has flaws. You aren't special or holding onto any precious, amazing knowledge because you also think that is true...but also, your critiques of the DSM and how it is flawed are probably ridiculously oversimplified or otherwise not based in reality. No, the DSM is not bad because it fails to consider environmental factors in etiology (ahem, Z-codes anyone?). No, the DSM is not bad because it recognizes a distinction between BP1 d/o and schizophrenia spectrum disorders. No, the DSM is not bad because it doesn't include C-PTSD. No, the ICD is not better than the DSM on most of these points. No, categorical diagnosis is not just a construct meant to serve insurance and pharmaceutical companies (though admittedly it doesn't hurt). Yes, dimensional nosological systems are more reliable and less flawed, but no, they are not a panacea for our woes. And yes, some of the poor inter-rater reliability of the DSM is due to the flaws of dimensional diagnosis and some poor disorder constructs, but some (I daresay a fair bit) of it is due to poor training psychodiagnostics.
 
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(I'm going to take a couple of days off from this thread and come back later with a rant on 21st century psychoanalysis apologetics.)
 
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