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How to avoid facility fees you ask?
Avoid going to doctors in hospital based clinics. Avoid doing labs and radiolgy in hospital owned locations

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The difficult thing is most pediatric sub specialists seem to be employed by hospitals. I don’t think there are any PP pediatric endocrinologists for this woman to go to. And private practice docs usually won’t see minors or under age 16 as their cut off.
 
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i dont think that OP's suggestions would work...

i would suspect most of these subspecialists are relying on working in a hospital system to stay in business. their practice may essentially be subsidized by the system.

and in many places, there are no alternatives to hospital based resources, particularly with lab testing.

a patient would be better off reducing facility fees by trying telemedicine, but i personally worry that this might lead to poorer care.



the entire hospital and insurance system is corrupted by $$$.
 
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i dont think that OP's suggestions would work...

i would suspect most of these subspecialists are relying on working in a hospital system to stay in business. their practice may essentially be subsidized by the system.

and in many places, there are no alternatives to hospital based resources, particularly with lab testing.

a patient would be better off reducing facility fees by trying telemedicine, but i personally worry that this might lead to poorer care.



the entire hospital and insurance system is corrupted by $$$.

SOS is the root of all evil. I've been exposing this kind of shenanigans for years. If you're working for people who do this, then you're part of the problem.
 
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SOS is the root of all evil. I've been exposing this kind of shenanigans for years. If you're working for people who do this, then you're part of the problem.
huh.

silly me, i thought the slimebags selling snake oil and stem cells were part of the problem. maybe they both are?
 
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huh.

silly me, i thought the slimebags selling snake oil and stem cells were part of the problem. maybe they both are?

Uh, Regen is lowering health care costs, not raising them. Spoken like a true SOS denier/HOPD KOL'er. You need to brush up on your science.

Platelet-rich plasma vs. corticosteroid injections for the treatment of recalcitrant lateral epicondylitis: a cost-effectiveness Markov decision analysis​

Kevin M Klifto 1, Stephen H Colbert 1, Marc J Richard 2, Oke A Anakwenze 2, David S Ruch 2, Christopher S Klifto 3

Abstract​

Background: Both platelet-rich plasma (PRP) and corticosteroid injections may be used to treat lateral epicondylitis. We evaluated the cost-effectiveness of PRP injections vs. corticosteroid injections for the treatment of recalcitrant lateral epicondylitis.
Methods: Markov modeling was used to analyze the base-case 45-year-old patient with recalcitrant lateral epicondylitis, unresponsive to conservative measures, treated with a single injection of PRP or triamcinolone 40 mg/mL. Transition probabilities were derived from randomized controlled trials, quality-of-life (QOL) values from the Tufts University Cost-Effectiveness Analysis Registry reported using Disabilities of the Arm, Shoulder, and Hand (DASH) scores, and costs from institution financial records. Analyses were performed from health care and societal perspectives. Outcomes were incremental cost-effectiveness ratios (ICERs), reported as US dollars / quality-adjusted life-year (USDs/QALY) and net monetary benefit (NMB) to represent the values of an intervention in monetary terms. Willingness-to-pay thresholds were set at $50,000 and $100,000. Deterministic and probabilistic sensitivity analyses were performed over 10,000 iterations.
Results: Both PRP and triamcinolone 40-mg/mL injections were considered cost-effective interventions from a health care and societal perspective below the WTP threshold of $50,000. From a health care perspective, PRP injections were dominant compared with triamcinolone 40-mg/mL injections, with an ICER of -$5846.97/QALY. PRP injections provided an NMB of $217,863.98, whereas triamcinolone 40 mg/mL provided an NMB of $197,534.18. From a societal perspective, PRP injections were dominant compared to triamcinolone 40-mg/mL injections, with an ICER of -$9392.33/QALY. PRP injections provided an NMB of $214,820.16, whereas triamcinolone 40 mg/mL provided an NMB of $193,199.75.
Conclusions: Both PRP and triamcinolone 40-mg/mL injections provided cost-effective treatments from health care and societal perspectives. Overall, PRP injections were the dominant treatment, with the greatest NMB for recalcitrant lateral epicondylitis over the time horizon of 5 years.


In other words, findings showed that PRP and corticosteroid injections were cost-effective options from both healthcare system and societal perspectives, meaning they provided good value for their cost. PRP injections were even better than corticosteroid injections in terms of cost-effectiveness.

From a healthcare perspective, PRP injections were dominant over corticosteroid injections, meaning they were more cost-effective and resulted in better outcomes. The incremental cost-effectiveness ratio (ICER) for PRP injections was negative, indicating that it was cheaper and more effective. The net monetary benefit (NMB) for PRP injections was also higher than for corticosteroid injections.
 
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Uh, Regen is lowering health care costs, not raising them. Spoken like a true SOS denier/HOPD KOL'er. You need to brush up on your science.

Platelet-rich plasma vs. corticosteroid injections for the treatment of recalcitrant lateral epicondylitis: a cost-effectiveness Markov decision analysis​

Kevin M Klifto 1, Stephen H Colbert 1, Marc J Richard 2, Oke A Anakwenze 2, David S Ruch 2, Christopher S Klifto 3

Abstract​

Background: Both platelet-rich plasma (PRP) and corticosteroid injections may be used to treat lateral epicondylitis. We evaluated the cost-effectiveness of PRP injections vs. corticosteroid injections for the treatment of recalcitrant lateral epicondylitis.
Methods: Markov modeling was used to analyze the base-case 45-year-old patient with recalcitrant lateral epicondylitis, unresponsive to conservative measures, treated with a single injection of PRP or triamcinolone 40 mg/mL. Transition probabilities were derived from randomized controlled trials, quality-of-life (QOL) values from the Tufts University Cost-Effectiveness Analysis Registry reported using Disabilities of the Arm, Shoulder, and Hand (DASH) scores, and costs from institution financial records. Analyses were performed from health care and societal perspectives. Outcomes were incremental cost-effectiveness ratios (ICERs), reported as US dollars / quality-adjusted life-year (USDs/QALY) and net monetary benefit (NMB) to represent the values of an intervention in monetary terms. Willingness-to-pay thresholds were set at $50,000 and $100,000. Deterministic and probabilistic sensitivity analyses were performed over 10,000 iterations.
Results: Both PRP and triamcinolone 40-mg/mL injections were considered cost-effective interventions from a health care and societal perspective below the WTP threshold of $50,000. From a health care perspective, PRP injections were dominant compared with triamcinolone 40-mg/mL injections, with an ICER of -$5846.97/QALY. PRP injections provided an NMB of $217,863.98, whereas triamcinolone 40 mg/mL provided an NMB of $197,534.18. From a societal perspective, PRP injections were dominant compared to triamcinolone 40-mg/mL injections, with an ICER of -$9392.33/QALY. PRP injections provided an NMB of $214,820.16, whereas triamcinolone 40 mg/mL provided an NMB of $193,199.75.
Conclusions: Both PRP and triamcinolone 40-mg/mL injections provided cost-effective treatments from health care and societal perspectives. Overall, PRP injections were the dominant treatment, with the greatest NMB for recalcitrant lateral epicondylitis over the time horizon of 5 years.


In other words, findings showed that PRP and corticosteroid injections were cost-effective options from both healthcare system and societal perspectives, meaning they provided good value for their cost. PRP injections were even better than corticosteroid injections in terms of cost-effectiveness.

From a healthcare perspective, PRP injections were dominant over corticosteroid injections, meaning they were more cost-effective and resulted in better outcomes. The incremental cost-effectiveness ratio (ICER) for PRP injections was negative, indicating that it was cheaper and more effective. The net monetary benefit (NMB) for PRP injections was also higher than for corticosteroid injections.
Dr Stephen Colbert, DFA.
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Patients are paying less for the “snake oil” in relative terms than the band aid they get charged for by the ER and the 2 day hopd admission to pad the census on a low census admission
 
But do you limit your usage of prp to lateral epicondylitis. I seriously doubt that.

No. I also use it for osteoarthritis...


 
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Curious about incorporating this.


Thinking of going to TOBI CONFERENCE. It looks fairly academic and is run with asipp. Hope to learn about this. The space is co.plex with many vendors. Trying to figure out reasonable option for my patients in private practice.
 
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Agree with drusso, just read a study when doing my SAE requirements showing that IA knee PRP delayed TKA 5 yrs! Steroid was unable to do that. Truly impressive data
 
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Curious about incorporating this.


Thinking of going to TOBI CONFERENCE. It looks fairly academic and is run with asipp. Hope to learn about this. The space is co.plex with many vendors. Trying to figure out reasonable option for my patients in private practice.

TOBI is good. Lot's of KOL's there.
 
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SOS is the root of all evil. I've been exposing this kind of shenanigans for years. If you're working for people who do this, then you're part of the problem.
You have?…prove it with a timely posted ABBA video.
 
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SOS is the root of all evil. I've been exposing this kind of shenanigans for years. If you're working for people who do this, then you're part of the problem.
and what is the root cause for SOS?

hint, it is the same root that is charging patients thousands of dollars for not quite proven therapy such as PRP.

and yes, that is true for pretty much for most of pain medicine, including SI fusion, stim, intracept, MILD, ketamine infusion, deep laser therapy, opioids...
 
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and what is the root cause for SOS?

hint, it is the same root that is charging patients thousands of dollars for not quite proven therapy such as PRP.

and yes, that is true for pretty much for most of pain medicine, including SI fusion, stim, intracept, MILD, ketamine infusion, deep laser therapy, opioids...
what do you recommend then? Physical Therapy ad nauseum?
 
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you have failed standard therapy (including meds and injections):


nothing has helped. so instead of thinking of treatments to make your pain go away (because they havent worked), lets discuss treatments to help you have the best quality of life with the pain you have.


you cant do PT for the rest of your life, but you can learn to exercise and do exercises to keep yourself mobile, active, functional.

lets talk about how you feel when you have the pain and how to change that feeling.


those who stay will be champions.
 
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had a well-to-do patient who wanted to go directly for an RF and pay out of pocket. i checked on the HOPD price for him. unilateral L3, L4, and L5 RF.

Any guesses on the cost?
 
had a well-to-do patient who wanted to go directly for an RF and pay out of pocket. i checked on the HOPD price for him. unilateral L3, L4, and L5 RF.

Any guesses on the cost?
10k?
 
And this ludicrous fee is why Medicare now requires prior authorization and turns as many down as they can.. and we get our little 600$ consolation prize for taking all the risk and doing the work.
 
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Send to an outpatient doctor and it’s $500-800

Independent physicians are the low-cost leaders in our healthcare system.


Patients benefit when they can choose where to receive care — whether at a hospital or at an independent practice. Such choice and competition lead to better-quality, more accessible care at lower cost.
 
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you have failed standard therapy (including meds and injections):


nothing has helped. so instead of thinking of treatments to make your pain go away (because they havent worked), lets discuss treatments to help you have the best quality of life with the pain you have.


you cant do PT for the rest of your life, but you can learn to exercise and do exercises to keep yourself mobile, active, functional.

lets talk about how you feel when you have the pain and how to change that feeling.


those who stay will be champions.
Go blue
You a Michigan guy?
 
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And this ludicrous fee is why Medicare now requires prior authorization and turns as many down as they can.. and we get our little 600$ consolation prize for taking all the risk and doing the work.

Top Antitrust Officials Call for More Health-Care Enforcement​

  • DOJ is investigating UnitedHealth over its acquisitions
  • Agency unsuccessfully sued to block bid for Change Healthcare

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By Leah Nylen and Sabrina Willmer
May 8, 2024 at 3:03 PM PDT
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The US hasn’t enforced its antitrust laws enough in the health care industry, top Justice Department officials said, voicing particular concern about consolidation among groups of doctors and nurses.

“We are becoming more lucid to under-enforcement in healthcare,” Doha Mekki, the No. 2 official in the Justice Department’s antitrust division, said during a Bloomberg roundtable on Wednesday. The US has roughly 2,000 fewer hospitals today than existed in 1998, she said.
Mekki didn’t name specific companies. But antitrust enforcers have been scrutinizing UnitedHealth Group Inc., the largest US health insurer, and its move to buy up doctor groups across the US.

The company has expansive reach across the health care system offering insurance coverage for more than 47 million Americans. Meanwhile, UnitedHealth’s services arm, Optum, provides a variety of services including home health, prescription drugs and the largest electronic data clearinghouse for insurance reimbursements, Change Healthcare. The Justice Department unsuccessfully sought to block UnitedHealth’s acquisition of Change, whose computer systems faced a crippling cybersecurity hack in February that affected one in three Americans.

The agency is also reviewing UnitedHealth’s proposed $3.29 billion takeover of Amedisys Inc. and is likely to review its proposed acquisition of Steward Medical Group Inc., the physician group associated with struggling for-profit health system Steward Health. The hospital chain, which filed for bankruptcy on Monday, is partly owned by Medical Properties Trust Inc.

Susan Athey, DOJ’s chief antitrust economist, said the “huge wave” of consolidation in the hospital and health insurer space raises questions about whether consumers have enough choice. For example, if a health insurer makes a mistake on a bill and denies coverage even though a patient is covered, the consumer is caught in limbo between the hospital and the insurer, she said.

“Somebody who is sick or elderly might have months of dealing with this problem afterwards,” Athey said. “But how do you shop for that? So do we have meaningful competition?”

More than 75% of Americans live in highly concentrated hospital markets, said Athey, citing a White House report, adding that in 44 states there are three or fewer insurance options.
 
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