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Pretty awful therapy...but good television.
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Pretty awful therapy...but good television.
Pretty awful therapy...but good television.
Mainstream media portrayal of therapy really loves these insight oriented approaches. They seem to think that's what therapy is, just pointing things out to people.
Yeah...I was thinking, 'I'd love to give that guy my VA caseload for a week and film it. It would be hilarious.'Mainstream media portrayal of therapy really loves these insight oriented approaches. They seem to think that's what therapy is, just pointing things out to people.
The aha moments make for good stories I guess. It’s kind of similar to finding out who the killer is in a crime show. I am trying to think of an actual therapy case in my 20 years experience where this happened. In retrospect, there are lots of moments of insight, after all increasing awareness of patterns of behavior that are maladaptive is part of therapy, but as I am fond of saying insight alone is insufficient.Mainstream media portrayal of therapy really loves these insight oriented approaches. They seem to think that's what therapy is, just pointing things out to people.
Yeah...I was thinking, 'I'd love to give that guy my VA caseload for a week and film it. It would be hilarious.'
To be fair in the context of the show this scene was meant to be less insightful therapy and more of an indictment by the show's creators of both the main characters and the show's audience, who at the time gobbled up and rationalized all of the horrible things the characters did cause they wanted to see cool mob guy kill people. Which pissed the creators off. Another thing is one of the main themes of the show is how the talk therapy didn't solve any of tony's problems but only seeked to embolden him and better justify himself the horrible things he was doing (by mostly blaming his mother and childhood)Mainstream media portrayal of therapy really loves these insight oriented approaches. They seem to think that's what therapy is, just pointing things out to people.
The aha moments make for good stories I guess. It’s kind of similar to finding out who the killer is in a crime show. I am trying to think of an actual therapy case in my 20 years experience where this happened. In retrospect, there are lots of moments of insight, after all increasing awareness of patterns of behavior that are maladaptive is part of therapy, but as I am fond of saying insight alone is insufficient.
I do think it makes for more compelling tv to see insight-based therapy. The EBP video clips are so dry to watch during training, but I will go hunt down stuff from Carl Rogers on YouTube.
To be fair in the context of the show this scene was meant to be less insightful therapy and more of an indictment by the show's creators of both the main characters and the show's audience, who at the time gobbled up and rationalized all of the horrible things the characters did cause they wanted to see cool mob guy kill people. Which pissed the creators off. Another thing is one of the main themes of the show is how the talk therapy didn't solve any of tony's problems but only seeked to embolden him and better justify himself the horrible things he was doing (by mostly blaming his mother and childhood)
Yes, and also it's pretty irritating because the media have shown that they can take input and direction from people with field-specific experience to create reasonably accurate and also entertaining portrayals of specialized knowledge fields. Cf. Scrubs and Big Bang Theory.Mainstream media portrayal of therapy really loves these insight oriented approaches. They seem to think that's what therapy is, just pointing things out to people.
Yes, and also it's pretty irritating because the media have shown that they can take input and direction from people with field-specific experience to create reasonably accurate and also entertaining portrayals of specialized knowledge fields. Cf. Scrubs and Big Bang Theory.
Somehow they seem constitutionally incapable of doing this with psychotherapy. In Treatment for example was unwatchable.
I guess they don't use any actual therapists as consultants? Just make up what they imagine would be the content of a therapy session?
Somehow they seem constitutionally incapable of doing this with psychotherapy. In Treatment for example was unwatchable.
I guess they don't use any actual therapists as consultants? Just make up what they imagine would be the content of a therapy session?
One of *mine*? I am not now and have never been affiliated with the CU Psychoanalytic CenterThey did for a bit, one of yours.
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One of *mine*? I am not now and have never been affiliated with the CU Psychoanalytic Center
But, so then do you think that Sopranos clip up above reflects what the analyst people are actually doing?
Come to think of it I had a supervisor in residency who used to function a bit like that. I would get through a whole session trying my hardest to use reflective listening to get the patient to find their own insights, and she used to swirl in at the end for supervision and make some imperative pronouncement like, "Look honey, you need a divorce!" (picture a thick Russian accent), and then swirl out again. I don't think she was at all analytically trained though.
Honestly, I think Albert Ellis clips would make for compelling TV.I do think it makes for more compelling tv to see insight-based therapy. The EBP video clips are so dry to watch during training, but I will go hunt down stuff from Carl Rogers on YouTube.
I would watch him too!Honestly, I think Albert Ellis clips would make for compelling TV.
I'm watching Gloria now. It's been years since I've seen this clip.
Jesse Wright and company have some decent vids on CBT in action here:I would watch him too!
I honestly would love to just watch real psychologists doing their thing. It's so interesting to see different styles. My favorite part of consultation training is listening to the other therapists' recordings.
Is this not how you are supposed to do it?
It is entertaining!Tbh that's why I can't watch Shrinking, even though I love Scrubs.
Ignore that stuff. It's not like the "Bones" series nonsense or anything. It's just a therapist with a terrible grief and identity crisis (not sure if he is supposed to be a Ph.D.)?Tbh that's why I can't watch Shrinking, even though I love Scrubs.
And Gaby!Ignore that stuff. It's not like the "Bones" series nonsense or anything. It's just a therapist with a terrible grief and identity crisis (not sure if he is supposed to be a Ph.D.)?
Harrison Ford and the neighbor lady character (Christa Miller) really make the whole series for me, to be honest.
Ignore that stuff. It's not like the "Bones" series nonsense or anything. It's just a therapist with a terrible grief and identity crisis (not sure if he is supposed to be a Ph.D.)?
Harrison Ford and the neighbor lady character (Christa Miller) really make the whole series for me, to be honest.
And Gaby!
Ignore that stuff. It's not like the "Bones" series nonsense or anything. It's just a therapist with a terrible grief and identity crisis (not sure if he is supposed to be a Ph.D.)?
Harrison Ford and the neighbor lady character (Christa Miller) really make the whole series for me, to be honest.
You know what's hilarious? In my opinion, the closest any movie/tv therapist that I've seen come to doing a realistic portrayal of therapy (at least with respect to overall tone/approach) is the Robin Williams character in Good Will Hunting. At least he didn't try to seduce or sleep with his client. There were cringy moments, to be sure ('It's not your fault x3'[but at least this rang somewhat true vis-a-vis self-blame in trauma and assimilated stuck points])...but the appropriate psychological intimacy, genuineness, unconditional positive regard, not giving up on the client, self-disclosure to promote bonding, liberal use of humor to build the therapeutic relationship, 'no BS' approach (without being idiotic about it)...it was at least a decent portrayal.Oh God, the therapy stuff in Bones almost ruined the series for me (until the Gravedigger reveal actually did ruin it).
More blood for the blood god of Chaos!
More blood for the blood god of Chaos!
Possibly. Not sure.Did you just make a W40k reference?
Possibly. Not sure.
Psssht, coward, Imperial Guard are the real heroes, you don't need more than a helmet and a flashlight to fight the slavering xeno hordes.I mean, it's not like I had a full Ultramarine Army led by Marneus Calgar at some point in the distant past.
Psssht, coward, Imperial Guard are the real heroes, you don't need more than a helmet and a flashlight to fight the slavering xeno hordes.
Honestly, I was disappointed in the relatively low nerdiness of the people in my program.
Honestly, I was disappointed in the relatively low nerdiness of the people in my program.
One of my cohortmates regularly played in MtG tourneys while in grad school. We also did crossfit together, so it was a weird mix of nerdy/jock.
So...Crossfit in general, then?
Why not just go LARPing? You get your fantasy fix and your cardio...Ha, somewhat, though there were definitely the pure jocks there. I am not in the evangelizing group. I just wanted a quick good workout in grad school.