Anybody have Penn's match list?
Ken langones goal was getting more people into primary care which hasn’t come to fruition but I doubt he did it for some nefarious purpose of increasing NYU’s ranking
would you say Cornell's reputation is comparable to NYU though?
Did they just get to letter P and stopped there?Dell Med Match 2022
( This is probably incomplete as it's just those who wanted to announce their results at the Match Day presentation)
Anesthesia
Baylor
Dermatology
Temple
Dartmouth
Emergency Medicine
Baylor
Vanderbilt
Family Medicine
UVA
Providence Health Hood River, OR
UC Irvine
Lubbock
John Peter Smith, Ft. Worth TX
General Surgery
Einstein, Philadelphia
Baylor
U Colorado Denver
Creighton (Phoenix)
Dell
Johns Hopkins
Internal Medicine
2 - Dell
U Washington Seattle
U Alabama Birmingham
U Penn
2 - Baylor
Med/Peds
U Penn
Duke
Neurology
U Arizona Phoenix
UCLA
NYU Manhattan
Neurosurgery
Dell
OB GYN
Carolinas Medical Center
Orthopedic Surgery
Dell
Samaritan Hospital, Corvallis, OR
Pediatrics
Children’s National, Washington DC
Baylor
Emory
Cincinnati
U Washington
Plastic Surgery
Ohio State
Vanderbilt
IM | 33 |
FM | 29 |
Pediatrics | 18 |
Psychiatry | 16 |
Emergency Medicine | 12 |
OB/GYN | 12 |
General Surgery | 9 |
Diagnostic Radiology | 7 |
Orthopedic Surgery | 5 |
Urology | 4 |
Anesthesiology | 3 |
PM&R | 3 |
Dermatology | 2 |
Oral Maxillofacial Surgery | 2 |
Pathology | 2 |
Thoracic Surgery | 1 |
Plastic Surgery | 1 |
ENT | 1 |
Ophthalmology | 1 |
Interventional Radiology | 1 |
Neurology | 1 |
Child Neurology | 1 |
Peds-EM | 1 |
Those radiologists etc are too shy to drop the micDid they just get to letter P and stopped there?
Anesthesiology | Case Western/Univ Hosps Cleveland Med Ctr-OH |
Anesthesiology | Hosp of the Univ of PA (5) |
Anesthesiology | ISMMS Mount Sinai Hospital-NY |
Anesthesiology | NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY |
Anesthesiology | Temple Univ Hosp-PA |
Anesthesiology | UC San Francisco-CA |
Child Neurology | Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA (2) |
Clinical Pathology Track | Stanford Health Care-CA |
Dermatology | Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD |
Dermatology | Loyola Univ Med Ctr-IL |
Dermatology | NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY |
Dermatology | NYU Grossman School Of Medicine-NY |
Dermatology | Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL |
Dermatology | University of Virginia |
Dermatology/3 yr | Hosp of the Univ of PA |
Dermatology/Harvard Combined | Massachusetts Gen Hosp |
Dermatology/Research | Hosp of the Univ of PA |
Emergency Medicine | Massachusetts Gen Hosp |
Emergency Medicine | Albert Einstein Med Ctr-PA |
Emergency Medicine | CMSRU/Cooper University Hospital-NJ (2) |
Emergency Medicine | Hosp of the Univ of PA |
Emergency Medicine | ISMMS Mount Sinai Hospital-NY |
Emergency Medicine | NYU Grossman School Of Medicine-NY |
Emergency Medicine | Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA |
Emergency Medicine | U Kansas SOM-Kansas City |
Emergency Medicine | Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT |
Family Medicine | Kaiser Permanente-Napa/Solano-CA |
Family Medicine | Lancaster Gen Hosp-PA |
Family Medicine | NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY |
General Surgery | Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO |
General Surgery | Hosp of the Univ of PA (3) |
General Surgery | ISMMS Mount Sinai Hospital-NY (2) |
General Surgery | Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD |
General Surgery | U Texas Southwestern Med Sch-Dallas |
Int Med/ABIM Research Path | Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr-TN |
Int Med/ABIM Research Path | Hosp of the Univ of PA (3) |
Internal Medicine | B I Deaconess Med Ctr-MA |
Internal Medicine | Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO |
Internal Medicine | Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA (2) |
Internal Medicine | Hosp of the Univ of PA (6) |
Internal Medicine | Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD (3) |
Internal Medicine | Massachusetts Gen Hosp (5) |
Internal Medicine | NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY (4) |
Internal Medicine | Tufts Medical Center-MA |
Internal Medicine | UPMC Medical Education-PA (2) |
Internal Medicine | Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT (2) |
Interventional Radiology (Integ) | Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC |
Interventional Radiology (Integ) | UC San Diego Med Ctr-CA |
Medicine-Primary | Hosp of the Univ of PA |
Medicine-Primary | Hosp of the Univ of PA |
Medicine-Primary | Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT |
Medicine-Primary | Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA (3) |
Med-Peds | Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA |
Med-Peds | Massachusetts Gen Hosp |
Neurological Surgery | Mayo Clinic School of Grad Med |
Neurology | Hosp of the Univ of PA (3) |
Neurology | Mayo Clinic School of Grad Med |
Neurology | Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA (2) |
Obstetrics-Gynecology | Abington Mem Hosp-PA |
Obstetrics-Gynecology | Hosp of the Univ of PA |
Obstetrics-Gynecology | Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL |
Obstetrics-Gynecology | Pennsylvania Hospital |
Obstetrics-Gynecology | Zucker SOM-Northwell Lenox Hill Hosp-NY |
Ophthalmology | New York Eye and Ear Infirm |
Ophthalmology | Scheie Eye Inst |
Ophthalmology | Stanford Health Care-CA |
Ophthalmology | U Iowa |
Ophthalmology | UC San Francisco-CA |
Ophthalmology | USC Roski Eye Institute |
Ophthalmology | Wilmer-Johns Hopkins |
Orthopaedic Surgery | Boston Univ Med Ctr-MA |
Orthopaedic Surgery | Hosp For Special Surgery-NY |
Orthopaedic Surgery | UC San Diego Med Ctr-CA |
Orthopaedic Surgery | UC San Francisco-CA |
Otolaryngology | Harvard Med School/Mass Eye and Ear |
Otolaryngology | Hosp of the Univ of PA |
Otolaryngology | NYP Hosp-Columbia & Cornell-NY |
Otolaryngology | NYU Grossman School Of Medicine-NY |
Pathology | UC San Francisco-CA (2) |
Pathology/AP only or AP/CP | Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA |
Pathology/CP only | Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA |
Pathology-AP/CP | Hosp of the Univ of PA |
Pediatrics | Brown Univ/Rhode Island Hosp |
Pediatrics | Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA (6) |
Pediatrics | ISMMS Mount Sinai Hospital-NY |
Pediatrics | Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD |
Pediatrics | NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY |
Pediatrics | University of Utah Health |
Pediatrics | UPMC Medical Education-PA |
Pediatrics-Medical Genetics | Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA |
Phys Medicine & Rehab | Harvard Spaulding Rehab Hosp-MA |
Plastic Surgery (Integrated) | Hosp of the Univ of PA |
Plastic Surgery (Integrated) | U Rochester/Strong Memorial-NY |
Plastic Surgery (Integrated) | Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT |
Psych/Physician-Scientist | ISMMS Mount Sinai Hospital-NY |
Psychiatry | B I Deaconess Med Ctr-MA |
Psychiatry | Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA (2) |
Psychiatry | Hosp of the Univ of PA (4) |
Psychiatry | Massachusetts Gen Hosp |
Psychiatry | SUNY HSC Brooklyn-NY |
Psychiatry | U Rochester/Strong Memorial-NY |
Psychiatry/Child | Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA |
Radiation Oncology | Hosp of the Univ of PA |
Radiation Oncology | Memorial Sloan-Kettering-NY |
Radiology-Diagnostic | Rush University Med Ctr-IL |
Radiology-Diagnostic | Stanford Health Care-CA |
Radiology-Diagnostic | Stony Brook Teach Hosps-NY |
Radiology-Diagnostic | U Rochester/Strong Memorial-NY |
Urology | Cleveland Clinic |
Urology | Hosp of the Univ of PA (3) |
Urology | Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr-TN |
Vascular Surgery | Indiana University SOM |
Vascular Surgery | Massachusetts Gen Hosp |
What did your FM program offer you that CCF could not? Other than location.Yep. Anybody who doesn't know me who looks at my match would probably consider it "not strong" - FM in a small midwestern city at a hospital you've never heard of. But it's exactly where I want to be in terms of location, has exactly the training I need for the kind of career I want, and was my dream program and #1 rank. I also interviewed at a Cleveland Clinic program - lovely people, nice program, but would not have gotten me where I want to be in my career. Looks nice on a match list though. I'm now almost done with my third year, doing attending job interviews and getting ready to sign a contract, and I have zero regrets and would make exactly the same choice again.
The bottom line is that unless you know the individual preferences and goals of every person in that class, you really cannot evaluate whether a match list is strong or not strong. The question that matters is whether the student is where they want to be, not whether they're at Stanford or Yale. People who value prestige for the sake of prestige are going to chase a prestigious pedigree in a prestigious specialty, and that shows in the match lists of prestigious medical schools. People who don't are going to be perfectly happy at Flyover State University SOM - and plenty of those folks still end up in competitive specialties if that's what they want, as well as teaching or doing research.. Most people don't need to go to an Ivy League medical school or academic powerhouse residency to get the career they want, and you can't know if it's a good or bad match list without knowing what careers the students wanted and if that residency is going to get them there.
Wtf are these acronyms. What the hell is DOPEN?Pitt Match list this year surprised us with more than 20 percent DOPEN matches this year.
This way above Case and some T10's this year. Every year is different as sometimes you have to like McDOnalds
Derm, ortho, plastics, ENT, nsgyWtf are these acronyms. What the hell is DOPEN?
What an odd selection to focus on. Ophtho uro, ct surg, and IR not competitive enough to make it?Derm, ortho, plastics, ENT, nsgy
yeah its p dumbWhat an odd selection to focus on. Ophtho uro, ct surg, and IR not competitive enough to make it?
No, plastics, NSGY= most competitive, followed by ortho, Ent and rounding down to dermatology for lifestyle. Sure, ophtho, uro and the ones you mentioned are competitive, just not as high with the ones in the DOPEN category. Uro, IR are probably right there near the derm end.What an odd selection to focus on. Ophtho uro, ct surg, and IR not competitive enough to make it?
Idk what is it about premeds and med students that they feel the need to make ridiculous acronyms. Did it cross anyones mind that the reason one school has more "DOPEN" students than another might be because they had more people seeking ENT? Is matching IM at Mass General a worse match than neurosurgery at North Alabama State? Give me a break.No, plastics, NSGY= most competitive, followed by ortho, Ent and rounding down to dermatology for lifestyle. Sure, ophtho, uro and the ones you mentioned are competitive, just not as high with the ones in the DOPEN category. Uro, IR are probably right there near the derm end.
It does seem like school strength or tier tends to correlate more strongly with strength of programs rather than types of specialties. So a mid tier might have similar amount of ENT matches but they’re at less prestigious placesIdk what is it about premeds and med students that they feel the need to make ridiculous acronyms. Did it cross anyones mind that the reason one school has more "DOPEN" students than another might be because they had more people seeking ENT? Is matching IM at Mass General a worse match than neurosurgery at North Alabama State? Give me a break.
I understand why people would perceive that to be more prestigious, but correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't "tier" of residency have little impact on job prospects ( unless you want to go into academics)? Also, iirc community programs usually have better benefits and are accommodating to lifestyle for residents?It does seem like school strength or tier tends to correlate more strongly with strength of programs rather than types of specialties. So a mid tier might have similar amount of ENT matches but they’re at less prestigious places
Just you wait until you open charts on epic.Idk what is it about premeds and med students that they feel the need to make ridiculous acronyms.
Yeah it doesn’t really impact jobs outside of academics. It can impact fellowship prospects though.I understand why people would perceive that to be more prestigious, but correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't "tier" of residency have little impact on job prospects ( unless you want to go into academics)? Also, iirc community programs usually have better benefits and are accommodating to lifestyle for residents?
This comment is more of a question than a statement. Just wondering.
I’ve given up trying to understand ophtho notes lol. You need to break out a Rosetta Stone to understand that alphabet soupJust you wait until you open charts on epic.
NAEON, HEENT, PERRLA, CTAB, c/c/e
Still better than the contrived acronyms invented by premeds and med students to circlejerk over which school is truly top tier material. That discussion only gives the forums a bad reputationJust you wait until you open charts on epic.
NAEON, HEENT, PERRLA, CTAB, c/c/e
I work at one of the largest tertiary/quaternary hospitals in Texas. If you look at where the super-duper specialized surgeons/sub-specialists go to school or residency or fellowship, it runs the whole gamut from top tier to lower tier. At the end of the day when all is said and done, it really doesn't matter and your patients don't give a s**t where you went.I understand why people would perceive that to be more prestigious, but correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't "tier" of residency have little impact on job prospects ( unless you want to go into academics)? Also, iirc community programs usually have better benefits and are accommodating to lifestyle for residents?
This comment is more of a question than a statement. Just wondering.
12 students matched in ortho at Tulane, that is pretty impressive
That's crazy. Is Wisconsin actually t10? I think Wisconsin is now DOPE n' Qualified to be. Str8 cheezy like Wisconsin Curd.Medical College of Wisconsin
Lots of Ortho once again.
plastics and nsgy are more competitive than ortho?? wasn't the match rate for ortho this year like ~60%. Also wouldn't derm be the most competitive?No, plastics, NSGY= most competitive, followed by ortho, Ent and rounding down to dermatology for lifestyle. Sure, ophtho, uro and the ones you mentioned are competitive, just not as high with the ones in the DOPEN category. Uro, IR are probably right there near the derm end.
plastics and nsgy are more competitive than ortho?? wasn't the match rate for ortho this year like ~60%. Also wouldn't derm be the most competitive?
Yes, they are. Ortho is up there behind plastics/nsgy and ENT....derm probably rounds it out. Again, as the poster above noted, they are all highly competitive. BTW, look beyond just the match rate when considering speciality competitiveness.plastics and nsgy are more competitive than ortho?? wasn't the match rate for ortho this year like ~60%. Also wouldn't derm be the most competitive?
Heck yeah! We had three at my school match. They are dentists. After acing dental school they also must do MS3/MS4 years and pass the Steps. That's why they make the big $$$.Is maxillofacial surgery tough to match? I thought this was dentists
This list is nutty tbh.Duke
Anesthesiology
UTSW
Child Neurology
Johns Hopkins
Dermatology
Duke
Mayo- Rochester
UCSD
University of North Carolina
Family Medicine
Duke
Emory
Kaiser Permanente-San Jose
Emergency Medicine
Baylor
Boston University
Duke
Duke
Maimonides Med Ctr-NY
Medical University of South Carolina
Northwestern
University of Chicago
General Surgery
Duke
Harvard- Massachusetts General Hospital
Icahn Mount Sinai
Icahn Mount Sinai
Stanford
UCSD
UCSD
UTSW
UTSW
Internal Medicine
Boston University
Cedars-Sinai
Duke
Duke
Duke
Duke
Duke
Duke
Duke
Duke
Duke
Harvard- Brigham and Women’s Hospital
Harvard- Massachusetts General Hospital
Harvard- Massachusetts General Hospital
Johns Hopkins
Johns Hopkins
Mayo- Rochester
Scripps
Stanford
Penn
University of Washington
Vanderbilt
VCU
WashU
Internal Medicine-Peds
Duke
LSU
Harvard- Massachusetts General Hospital
University of Utah
Internal Medicine-Psychiatry
Duke
Emory
Interventional Radiology
Duke
Harvard- Massachusetts General Hospital
Neurology
WashU
Yale
Yale
Neurosurgery
Duke
Johns Hopkins
Yale
OB/GYN
Duke
Harvard- Beth Isreal Deaconess Med Ctr-MA
Harvard- Brigham and Women’s Hospital
Northwestern
Northwestern
NYU
Tufts
University of North Carolina
Wake Forest
Zucker Northwell
Ophthalmology
Duke
Harvard-Mass Eye & Ear Infirmary
UCSD
University of Miami-BPEI
Orthopaedic Surgery
Duke
Duke
NYU
Penn
Stanford
St. Mary’s Medical Center
University of Illinois COM- Chicago
Otolaryngology
Duke
Icahn Mount Sinai
Stanford
University of Miami
Pathology
University of New Mexico
Pediatrics
Northwestern
Northwestern
Stanford
University of Chicago
University of Utah
PM&R
Rutgers
UPMC
Plastics
Mayo- Rochester
NYU
University of Washington
Psychiatry
Duke
Duke
Icahn Mount Sinai West
Northwestern
Stanford
UCLA
Radiation Oncology
MD Anderson
Mayo- Phoenix
Thoracic Surgery
University of Florida
Urology
Indiana University
University of Michigan
UT Houston (McGovern)
Orthopedic Surgery 8
5 - McGovern
Methodist Hospital Houston
SUNY Upstate
John Peter Smith Ft. Worth TX
I’m wondering if this is actually true. Like a thought experiment would be if all 80 Harvard graduates wanted to match neurosurgery or plastics, would all of them match? Or does relative performance always matter somewhatMaybe I'm thinking about this wrong, but why do people care about "DOPEN" matches? I feel like (for US MD schools) all it is a representation of that class's interests. For example, if Harvard matched 1 student in DOPEN, that doesn't mean anything. They could have matched anyone into any specialty
So they are DDS/MD graduates or ?Heck yeah! We had three at my school match. They are dentists. After acing dental school they also must do MS3/MS4 years and pass the Steps. That's why they make the big $$$.
Depending on the school, they earn a DDS (doctor of dental surgery) or DMD (doctor of dental medicine) degree and MD.So they are DDS/MD graduates or ?
"Does relative performance always matter somewhat," hopefully, you aren't serious. Of course performance matters and is the deciding factor, end of story. Sure, does the school pedigree matter, absolutely it can help, are you getting into plastic/neurosurgery because you went to Harvard alone, hell no!I’m wondering if this is actually true. Like a thought experiment would be if all 80 Harvard graduates wanted to match neurosurgery or plastics, would all of them match? Or does relative performance always matter somewhat
I’m wondering if this is actually true. Like a thought experiment would be if all 80 Harvard graduates wanted to match neurosurgery or plastics, would all of them match? Or does relative performance always matter somewhat
What is a realistic number though?Any T20 could match any realistic number of DOPEN graduates in my opinion. My school had a relatively low-ish number for some of the DOPEN specialties this year (some of them only 1-4, others close to 10), but I know the match rate in those was 100%.
Other years we've had 10+ in 1 of the DOPEN specialties, again, the match rate for that specialty was 100%.
Obviously performance matters but I was more wondering about performance relative to others in the class at T20s. I know many don’t rank but obviously there is always going to be some sort of differential whether it comes through in research, letters, MSPE"Does relative performance always matter somewhat," hopefully, you aren't serious. Of course performance matters and is the deciding factor, end of story. Sure, does the school pedigree matter, absolutely it can help, are you getting into plastic/neurosurgery because you went to Harvard alone, hell no!
You get into those Uber-competitive specialities by producing top grades, step scores, research, strong letters, mentor connections, perform well on interviews, etc. People match to these specialities from the upper to lower-tiered schools.
And to your original question of the experiment of 80 Harvard students, the answer again is absolutely not. Just because you attended Harvard does not make you worthy of matching plastics, neurosurgery, ortho, etc.
I'd say less than 15 in each speciaty. Obviously, there could be off years, but 40 people applying in 1 specialty from 1 school could get messy. They'd likely still be fine though.What is a realistic number though?
Obviously performance matters but I was more wondering about performance relative to others in the class at T20s. I know many don’t rank but obviously there is always going to be some sort of differential whether it comes through in research, letters, MSPE
"Does relative performance always matter somewhat," hopefully, you aren't serious. Of course performance matters and is the deciding factor, end of story. Sure, does the school pedigree matter, absolutely it can help, are you getting into plastic/neurosurgery because you went to Harvard alone, hell no!
You get into those Uber-competitive specialities by producing top grades, step scores, research, strong letters, mentor connections, perform well on interviews, etc. People match to these specialities from the upper to lower-tiered schools.
And to your original question of the experiment of 80 Harvard students, the answer again is absolutely not. Just because you attended Harvard does not make you worthy of matching plastics, neurosurgery, ortho, etc.
Is maxillofacial surgery tough to match? I thought this was dentists
Heck yeah! We had three at my school match. They are dentists. After acing dental school they also must do MS3/MS4 years and pass the Steps. That's why they make the big $$$.
So they are DDS/MD graduates or ?
While you 100% should be a strong applicant in applying into a competitive specialty. T20 students 100% have a lower bar than if you go to a low-tier school.
I know people matching at T20 DOPEN programs that likely wouldn't match or would be at a community program (not that there is anything wrong with community programs, I'm saying this for the sake of stats) if they went to a low-tier MD school.
Can ANY student from Harvard go into DOPEN, no. But that 225 or 230 step 1 student from Harvard has about a 10x greater chance of matching DOPEN than the 230 from a low-tier MD.
DOPEN Criteria does not consider the quality of programs you matchThe truth is that most top students don't want those competitive fields, even if they are qualified, particularly because many of them are surgical. This is evidenced by the fact that nationally (per Charting Outcomes data), more AOAs or people with 250+ step scores go into IM rather than one of those specialties. They are competitive because there are a low number of spots, not because the demand is actually that high. "DOPEN" shouldn't be a criteria to determine match quality unless the institution has a weak department in one of those fields.