Pain jobs at Kaiser

[PMRorBUST]

Any pain docs here have experience working with Kaiser? Starting fellowship soon but just browsing at pain positions on the west coast and seems like Kaiser has a couple spots currently open.

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[willabeast]

Any pain docs here have experience working with Kaiser? Starting fellowship soon but just browsing at pain positions on the west coast and seems like Kaiser has a couple spots currently open.

Pain doc at Kaiser (NCAL) for 22 years. Also did internal medicine residency at Kaiser, so total time towards retirement 25 years. You are PMR? I am anesthesia. Retired 6 years ago. Where you hope to wind up?

 

[PainDoc2025]

Pain doc at Kaiser (NCAL) for 22 years. Also did internal medicine residency at Kaiser, so total time towards retirement 25 years. You are PMR? I am anesthesia. Retired 6 years ago. Where you hope to wind up?

I'm interested in ending up on Northern California after fellowship - either academic or private practice, unsure. Whats the payment structure for pain jobs at Kaisers? And average ish salary for Kaiser pain jobs? Thanks in advance!

 

[PainDoc2025]

Any pain docs here have experience working with Kaiser? Starting fellowship soon but just browsing at pain positions on the west coast and seems like Kaiser has a couple spots currently open.

Where exactly is the best place to browse for pain jobs online?

 

[callmeanesthesia]

Where exactly is the best place to browse for pain jobs online?

Probably GasWork. It’s free to post so you get a lot more private practice jobs

 

[willabeast]

I'm interested in ending up on Northern California after fellowship - either academic or private practice, unsure. Whats the payment structure for pain jobs at Kaisers? And average ish salary for Kaiser pain jobs? Thanks in advance!

I think you are paid per your specialty, so if you are PMR I added a link. They might give you a little more money if you did a fellowship. I was paid same as an anesthesiologist. As you gain years there are income increases, some routine, some earned. The compensation includes a very nice retirement package which is too complicated for me to write about, but includes insurance and pension. They make it fairly easy to retire at age 60. There are docs at kaiser with academic appointments, I never did that.
The Permanente Medical Group of Northern California

 

[willabeast]

I'm interested in ending up on Northern California after fellowship - either academic or private practice, unsure. Whats the payment structure for pain jobs at Kaisers? And average ish salary for Kaiser pain jobs? Thanks in advance!

Kaiser Permanente Pain Jobs

Does anyone have any information on what it's like to be a pain doctor at Kaiser Permanente? My impression is that their system is very algorithmic, but apparently providers across the board are extremely happy working there. Any info on hours, procedure mix, salary, benefits would be great...

forums.studentdoctor.net

 

[cowboydoc]

I'm interested in ending up on Northern California after fellowship - either academic or private practice, unsure. Whats the payment structure for pain jobs at Kaisers? And average ish salary for Kaiser pain jobs? Thanks in advance!

Look up Josh Rittenberg @ Stanford. He recently moved there from Kaiser. He’d be knowledgable on the Kaiser and academic front. He is approachable and would be a good contact for a resident/fellow in NorCal.

 

[PainDoc2025]

Look up Josh Rittenberg @ Stanford. He recently moved there from Kaiser. He’d be knowledgable on the Kaiser and academic front. He is approachable and would be a good contact for a resident/fellow in NorCal.

Awesome, thank you.

 

[DrSpine]

From what I understand, Kaiser gives good benefits and lifestyle but underpays you.

 

[afob100]

Almost took a job at Kaiser mid Atlantic on east coast.

Not sure if helpful but here's the info I got

8-5 M-F, no weekends or call

1 hr lunch.

30 min slots for all patients- new and follow up, and procedures. so 16 total patients each day.

Yes, you get 30 min to do an SI joint injection =p. On the brightside, there is no insurance auth required for anything since it's an integrated system (all patients have kaiser insurance).

Half day clinic, half procedures. B&B procedures. No stim or Advanced procedures

4 Weeks vacation- goes up to 6 with longer service.

Great pension and free health insurance.

Salary about 380-420k, no production bonus. Annual group bonus but wasn't much.

Good lifestyle and easy work but not too much pay overall.

 

[MitchLevi]

When I turn 60 I'd do that

 

[PainDoc2025]

Almost took a job at Kaiser mid Atlantic on east coast.

Not sure if helpful but here's the info I got

8-5 M-F, no weekends or call

1 hr lunch.

30 min slots for all patients- new and follow up, and procedures. so 16 total patients each day.

Yes, you get 30 min to do an SI joint injection =p. On the brightside, there is no insurance auth required for anything since it's an integrated system (all patients have kaiser insurance).

Half day clinic, half procedures. B&B procedures. No stim or Advanced procedures

4 Weeks vacation- goes up to 6 with longer service.

Great pension and free health insurance.

Salary about 380-420k, no production bonus. Annual group bonus but wasn't much.

Good lifestyle and easy work but not too much pay overall.

Honestly for 420k this sounds pretty good, especially in late career. I would be very open to starting with private practice somewhere after fellowship and moving to a job like this instead of a purely academic job.

 

[RoloTomassi]

B&B procedures. No stim or Advanced procedures

What if the patient needs it?

 

[afob100]

What if the patient needs it?

Send to outside kaiser system

 

[SC Tian]

they will deny as they have their own insurance, and do not want to pay for the implant.

 

[melancholy]

Any pain docs here have experience working with Kaiser? Starting fellowship soon but just browsing at pain positions on the west coast and seems like Kaiser has a couple spots currently open.

Assuming you are PM&R? I've been at Kaiser in the bay area for over 10 years. Pay seemed structured based on primary specialty and having ACGME fellowship at the time didn't make any difference. They have raised standards at least and now all pain specialists need to have ACGME fellowship training (vs the grandfathered ones from ABPM or something who have been retiring). Set up may different depending on which service area within the Northern California region and what department. Yes the benefits make up a pretty big part of the overall compensation so the pay will be lower than market rate. If you get a good setup though and it fits your goals, it can be a very comfortable place to work until retirement with pension and other benefits at the end of the rainbow. Pros/cons of being in HMO system obviously, but having some flexibility to practice without needing prior authorization or appealing for certain procedures is nice. Keep in mind it is cost containment, so there are doctors that do the bare minimum and figure out how to game the system so they can just do their job and get in and out. You get paid the same with minimum effort vs sometimes doing what is right for the patient. Feel free to PM me and i will see if I can answer other questions.

 

[Dr. Ice]

420k for that setup is pretty solid in my book regardless of age or where you are. What are the rest of you guys pulling in??

 

[Status Sciaticus]

what are your thoughts on:
425k, Monday to Thursday, 8-5PM. 8 weeks off?
45 min per patient visit, so 12pts max per day....
Sounds like a decent enough Kaiser gig, but for a hungry person, they really do kneecap you with no production incentives
is there anything negotiable to increase overall income?

 

[cowboydoc]

what are your thoughts on:
425k, Monday to Thursday, 8-5PM. 8 weeks off?
45 min per patient visit, so 12pts max per day....
Sounds like a decent enough Kaiser gig, but for a hungry person, they really do kneecap you with no production incentives
is there anything negotiable to increase overall income?

If you didn’t have to be able to afford living in Cali, this sounds like a chill gig.

 

[BobBarker]

That is a lot of money for basically not doing any work at all. Would not recommend you take that as your first job.

 

[GoBeers]

what are your thoughts on:
425k, Monday to Thursday, 8-5PM. 8 weeks off?
45 min per patient visit, so 12pts max per day....
Sounds like a decent enough Kaiser gig, but for a hungry person, they really do kneecap you with no production incentives
is there anything negotiable to increase overall income?

norcal? socal?

many kaiser pain gigs are 50/50 pain/anesthesia at best
it's great gig for hours worked

 

[hyperalgesia]

what are your thoughts on:
425k, Monday to Thursday, 8-5PM. 8 weeks off?
45 min per patient visit, so 12pts max per day....
Sounds like a decent enough Kaiser gig, but for a hungry person, they really do kneecap you with no production incentives
is there anything negotiable to increase overall income?

Every Kaiser gig is different. I know of a Kaiser where it was a revolving door because no pain doc could tolerate the opioid dumps from the PCPs (who vote on whether you get partnership). It was like, "you're job is to take over prescribing opioids AND keep all pts happy".

Just the money aspect of the proposed job would be fine with me. You get a nice pension with Kaiser too. So it really would depend on the actual job - are you doing what you want to do? That's what determines whether you are satisfied or not.

 

[MitchLevi]

what are your thoughts on:
425k, Monday to Thursday, 8-5PM. 8 weeks off?
45 min per patient visit, so 12pts max per day....
Sounds like a decent enough Kaiser gig, but for a hungry person, they really do kneecap you with no production incentives
is there anything negotiable to increase overall income?

This will ruin you.

A job like this is for the back half of your career.

 

[melancholy]

Almost took a job at Kaiser mid Atlantic on east coast.

Not sure if helpful but here's the info I got

8-5 M-F, no weekends or call

1 hr lunch.

30 min slots for all patients- new and follow up, and procedures. so 16 total patients each day.

Yes, you get 30 min to do an SI joint injection =p. On the brightside, there is no insurance auth required for anything since it's an integrated system (all patients have kaiser insurance).

Half day clinic, half procedures. B&B procedures. No stim or Advanced procedures

4 Weeks vacation- goes up to 6 with longer service.

Great pension and free health insurance.

Salary about 380-420k, no production bonus. Annual group bonus but wasn't much.

Good lifestyle and easy work but not too much pay overall.

Forgot to comment on this, but this offer (which does sound awesome btw) for starting is definitely not what one would see in Northern California Kaiser.

 

[hopefulgasman]

This will ruin you.

A job like this is for the back half of your career.

Why will this “ruin you.”

 

[melancholy]

what are your thoughts on:
425k, Monday to Thursday, 8-5PM. 8 weeks off?
45 min per patient visit, so 12pts max per day....
Sounds like a decent enough Kaiser gig, but for a hungry person, they really do kneecap you with no production incentives
is there anything negotiable to increase overall income?

What region is this starting job located in?
(Definitely not Northern California. Max vacation time per year is 5 weeks after 11 years there.). Does sound pretty chill although devil is in the details

 

[Dr. Ice]

what are your thoughts on:
425k, Monday to Thursday, 8-5PM. 8 weeks off?
45 min per patient visit, so 12pts max per day....
Sounds like a decent enough Kaiser gig, but for a hungry person, they really do kneecap you with no production incentives
is there anything negotiable to increase overall income?

12 patients max a day???!!! Last week I had 6 in the 7 am hour alone. You can def live off of 425k. Many if not most pain docs in the northeast make that working 3x as much at least and are content with it..or maybe I should say are programmed to be content with it

 

[bedrock]

what are your thoughts on:
425k, Monday to Thursday, 8-5PM. 8 weeks off?
45 min per patient visit, so 12pts max per day....
Sounds like a decent enough Kaiser gig, but for a hungry person, they really do kneecap you with no production incentives
is there anything negotiable to increase overall income?

As long as you like the area, I’d go for it. The pay is excellent for how little work they expect you to do.

You can either just enjoy all that free time or if you want more money, you can moonlight in anesthesia, and or do IMEs, or some other side gig. You literally are working only 2/3 the schedule of most docs while still getting a salary that is higher than many private practice employees, though lower than HOPD and private practice owners.

 

[ziggyziggy]

Almost took a job at Kaiser mid Atlantic on east coast.

Not sure if helpful but here's the info I got

8-5 M-F, no weekends or call

1 hr lunch.

30 min slots for all patients- new and follow up, and procedures. so 16 total patients each day.

Yes, you get 30 min to do an SI joint injection =p. On the brightside, there is no insurance auth required for anything since it's an integrated system (all patients have kaiser insurance).

Half day clinic, half procedures. B&B procedures. No stim or Advanced procedures

4 Weeks vacation- goes up to 6 with longer service.

Great pension and free health insurance.

Salary about 380-420k, no production bonus. Annual group bonus but wasn't much.

Good lifestyle and easy work but not too much pay overall.

Can you finish all your 16 patient in half a day and leave? If not, I will be bored to death.

 

[CleanUp]

As long as you like the area, I’d go for it. The pay is excellent for how little work they expect you to do.

You can either just enjoy all that free time or if you want more money, you can moonlight in anesthesia, and or do IMEs, or some other side gig. You literally are working only 2/3 the schedule of most docs while still getting a salary that is higher than many private practice employees, though lower than HOPD and private practice owners.

This is more like 1/3 to 1/4 of what Private Practice does

 

[bedrock]

This is more like 1/3 to 1/4 of what Private Practice does

If you're talking about the money, I would surprised if you're making $1,700,000 per year as an employee in private practice?

From a standpoint of time at work, he does work 4 full days each week. So he works 4/5th the typical amount for pain physican, until you add in that he gets double the typical vacation time. All that adds up to about 2/3 of the typical private practice of working full time 5 days per week and only have 4 weeks of vacation.

But if you mean how many patient does he see per year compared with what pp docs see in a year, then I definitely agree with you.

 

[MitchLevi]

Why will this “ruin you.”

As a first job out of training, this job will stunt your growth as a physician, and unless you plan on making this gig your entire career, I would not pursue this. Very difficult to get really good at pain with this volume, and you'll never feel any pressure to improve your practice. You have zero competition.

I do more work than you in less than a half day, and this has forced me to get better at my job. There are pain groups in my region with whom I compete, and this forces me to learn new skills and optimize the patient experience.

Your skills will grow stale, but you won't care bc it doesn't matter - The machine feeds you regardless of your outcomes and ability.

You cannot go from this job to private practice and expect to survive. The reverse is definitely true, where this would be an amazing opportunity after you've been in a busy practice for 10-20 years.

We had a prior VA guy work in our practice for like 2-2.5 years or so, and he never paid his overhead. He was VA, then had his own practice where he was floundering, so my group brought him on with the assumption he would bring his RFA machine with him AND his patient population. Never paid his overhead, and he was unbelievably slow + limited in his skills.

My recommendation is to complete fellowship, join a busy practice and work as hard as you can for at least a decade before doing something like this. You will make more money, your skills will flourish and you'll impart a far bigger presence in your community.

Having said all that, busy doctoring isn't for everyone and that's okay too.

 

[RoloTomassi]

Hard to go from Kaiser/VA/academics to PP or busy HOPD. But if that's never the intention then it doesn't matter. But I don't see why you would do all that schooling and training then limit your potential.

 

[sloh]

You cannot go from this job to private practice and expect to survive. The reverse is definitely true, where this would be an amazing opportunity after you've been in a busy practice for 10-20 years.

Kaiser so effectively misleads new grads into their golden handcuffs while not allowing them to use their medical expertise elsewhere (so they never realize what else is out there), many end up staying white knuckling until they get that pension

 

[agolden1]

Two things no one else has mentioned

- Do you have strong ties to the area and want to live there for the rest of your life?
-What does the rest of the market in the area look like for pain physician jobs?

If this is where you'll be happy, and if the rest of the jobs in the area have nasty opioid prescribing practices, or aren't practicing in a manner which makes you comfortable, then this may be the best option for you. I feel like on this forum, sometimes we can get a bit tied up on the perfect practice (physician owned, in office C-arm, low buy in, no opioid etc.). But in some locations, you might not have exactly the set up you want, and that's ok! If this is the best job for the place you want to be, take the gig.

 

[CleanUp]

If you're talking about the money, I would surprised if you're making $1,700,000 per year as an employee in private practice?

From a standpoint of time at work, he does work 4 full days each week. So he works 4/5th the typical amount for pain physican, until you add in that he gets double the typical vacation time. All that adds up to about 2/3 of the typical private practice of working full time 5 days per week and only have 4 weeks of vacation.

But if you mean how many patient does he see per year compared with what pp docs see in a year, then I definitely agree with you.

Just # of patients

 

[MitchLevi]

Two things no one else has mentioned

- Do you have strong ties to the area and want to live there for the rest of your life?
-What does the rest of the market in the area look like for pain physician jobs?

If this is where you'll be happy, and if the rest of the jobs in the area have nasty opioid prescribing practices, or aren't practicing in a manner which makes you comfortable, then this may be the best option for you. I feel like on this forum, sometimes we can get a bit tied up on the perfect practice (physician owned, in office C-arm, low buy in, no opioid etc.). But in some locations, you might not have exactly the set up you want, and that's ok! If this is the best job for the place you want to be, take the gig.

True.

In office C-Arm is a big deal though, and it's such a big deal that unless you've got ownership in an uptempo, busy ASC...Your income will suffer quite a bit.

Quite a bit.

 

[GoBeers]

i think it's a great job. east coast, west coast, lotta folks doing the rat race for lousy pay.
private practice is only great if you get into partnership. I don't know anybody from my year who has become a partner in my region. i see the job carousel annually amongst all the local pain clinics and it's sad/funny to see.

 

[MitchLevi]

private practice is only great if you get into partnership.

This just isn't true man. I don't think everyone understands the definition of partner.

 

[GoBeers]

This just isn't true man. I don't think everyone understands the definition of partner.

more true than not, particularly if partner entails equity and skin in the game

So far overall, what I'm seeing is contract arrangements seem more sustainable, realistic, fair in multi-specialty groups than a single specialty, single owner type of situation.

 

[MitchLevi]

more true than not, particularly if partner entails equity and skin in the game

So far overall, what I'm seeing is contract arrangements seem more sustainable, realistic, fair in multi-specialty groups than a single specialty, single owner type of situation.

For many ppl, private practice means no one looking over your shoulder like a hospital job, with unlimited potential for income and growth, and if the practice is stable you're probably getting the benefit of good contracts, an assortment of payers and a strong referral base.

You can show up with a full schedule in some places.

That's another thing about PP...The guys who founded the practice spent incredible energy building it. Establishing relationships with industry, beating the sidewalk to market the company, figuring through trial and error what pays and what doesn't.

In some PP jobs, you can get ASC ownership without being a partner, and in some cases it may not benefit you at all being a partner.

Depends on the situation. You want to go to board meetings every other Wed afternoon? You want to pay for the EMR and its upkeep, or do you want to come to work, see pts and go home?

There is this weird belief that PP means partner or nothing, and that is driven by academic attendings who know nothing of the real world and use expensive RFA needles with single use probes.

I'm not sure why new grads think they're deserving of partnership after 12-24 months...You haven't earned anything for your practice yet, and overall you're probably still in the red.

Why does anyone think they deserve a piece?

If you do enter into partnership, make sure you do your research bc you might lose money depending on the comp model.

 

[pastafan]

I'm not sure why new grads think they're deserving of partnership after 12-24 months...You haven't earned anything for your practice yet, and overall you're probably still in the red.

Why does anyone think they deserve a piece?

If you do enter into partnership, make sure you do your research bc you might lose money depending on the comp model.

Exactly. The only thing that is truly "deserved" is the absolute promise, that if you do a good job, you will have the ability to stay with the practice whether as partner or employee for as long as you wish and be treated fairly as agreed upon.

 

[Status Sciaticus]

Two things no one else has mentioned

- Do you have strong ties to the area and want to live there for the rest of your life?
-What does the rest of the market in the area look like for pain physician jobs?

If this is where you'll be happy, and if the rest of the jobs in the area have nasty opioid prescribing practices, or aren't practicing in a manner which makes you comfortable, then this may be the best option for you. I feel like on this forum, sometimes we can get a bit tied up on the perfect practice (physician owned, in office C-arm, low buy in, no opioid etc.). But in some locations, you might not have exactly the set up you want, and that's ok! If this is the best job for the place you want to be, take the gig.

Area is otherwise saturated.
Its 50/50 pain/anes.
No noncompete so I can do whatever with the 5th day.
But I do agree with everyone that the volume is really low for professional development.

For many ppl, private practice means no one looking over your shoulder like a hospital job, with unlimited potential for income and growth, and if the practice is stable you're probably getting the benefit of good contracts, an assortment of payers and a strong referral base.

You can show up with a full schedule in some places.

That's another thing about PP...The guys who founded the practice spent incredible energy building it. Establishing relationships with industry, beating the sidewalk to market the company, figuring through trial and error what pays and what doesn't.

In some PP jobs, you can get ASC ownership without being a partner, and in some cases it may not benefit you at all being a partner.

Depends on the situation. You want to go to board meetings every other Wed afternoon? You want to pay for the EMR and its upkeep, or do you want to come to work, see pts and go home?

There is this weird belief that PP means partner or nothing, and that is driven by academic attendings who know nothing of the real world and use expensive RFA needles with single use probes.

I'm not sure why new grads think they're deserving of partnership after 12-24 months...You haven't earned anything for your practice yet, and overall you're probably still in the red.

Why does anyone think they deserve a piece?

If you do enter into partnership, make sure you do your research bc you might lose money depending on the comp model.

I mean it wouldnt be so much of an issue but it simply is predatory to be making 20-30 cents on the dollar for the work I am doing beyond covering my overhead.
And yeah I do like board meetings and talking to people.

 

[hyperalgesia]

The good thing is there's something for everyone.

I generally agree there is a "learned indifference" that is inevitable with jobs like VA and Kaiser just bc of their bureaucracy and pay structure.
On the other hand, there is also a learned indifference, sometimes at the expense of patient care for profit, that is unavoidable in a competitive private practice environment.

Compromises are inevitable no matter what you do.

 

[MitchLevi]

I mean it wouldnt be so much of an issue but it simply is predatory to be making 20-30 cents on the dollar for the work I am doing beyond covering my overhead.
And yeah I do like board meetings and talking to people.

Your practice is going to lose money on you for awhile, and despite your confidence, you're not a sure thing.

It's not predatory at all if you sign a mutually-agreed upon contract.

I don't think 20-80 or 30-70 is great, but you don't seem to understand how that money comes into your pocket.

What overhead do you think is fair? Do you think 50/50 is fair, or should you get 60/40? Personally, I think 40/60 is fair, and 50/50 is outrageous.

New grads think the overhead is all profit to the partners, but that's not true. You cost a lot, and whether you believe it or not you're an expensive roll of the dice. Further, the practice costs, employees costs. Real estate costs a lot, and so does maintenance and administration.

You have to pay for yourself, and you won't do it for 24 months or so. There are outliers, and while Bob and Gdub in this group appear to be those types, most of us aren't.

I don't know you, and you may be an amazing pain doc, but there's a lot to owning and running a business, and you don't automatically deserve to get a piece of it.

Edit - I just saw you mentioned collection % after you've paid your overhead. Negotiate. Let's say your salary is 300 and you're on a 40/60 contract. You collect 750 (187500 per Q) and then you want a higher rate on those dollars?

Why should you get that? For example, once you've collected 750 you now go to 50/50?

Explain where the predation exists considering you have no workspace, equipment or pts without the practice?

The work that's been done to get you what you need to even pay your overhead is being ignored. That work wasn't free to the practice, and if it turns out you are a good hire the practice deserves to profit from its investment in you.

 

[Status Sciaticus]

Your practice is going to lose money on you for awhile, and despite your confidence, you're not a sure thing.

It's not predatory at all if you sign a mutually-agreed upon contract.

I don't think 20-80 or 30-70 is great, but you don't seem to understand how that money comes into your pocket.

What overhead do you think is fair? Do you think 50/50 is fair, or should you get 60/40? Personally, I think 40/60 is fair, and 50/50 is outrageous.

New grads think the overhead is all profit to the partners, but that's not true. You cost a lot, and whether you believe it or not you're an expensive roll of the dice. Further, the practice costs, employees costs. Real estate costs a lot, and so does maintenance and administration.

You have to pay for yourself, and you won't do it for 24 months or so. There are outliers, and while Bob and Gdub in this group appear to be those types, most of us aren't.

I don't know you, and you may be an amazing pain doc, but there's a lot to owning and running a business, and you don't automatically deserve to get a piece of it.

Edit - I just saw you mentioned collection % after you've paid your overhead. Negotiate. Let's say your salary is 300 and you're on a 40/60 contract. You collect 750 (187500 per Q) and then you want a higher rate on those dollars?

Why should you get that? For example, once you've collected 750 you now go to 50/50?

Explain where the predation exists considering you have no workspace, equipment or pts without the practice?

The work that's been done to get you what you need to even pay your overhead is being ignored. That work wasn't free to the practice, and if it turns out you are a good hire the practice deserves to profit from its investment in you.

My personal belief is that after covering overhead, I should be keeping everything I generate on the procedures and the office visits. The practice benefits from having a larger footprint, and all the ancillary drivers that I drive into the practice - DMEs, UDS, imaging.

Personally, I would just ask for a no-interest loan for two years in the form of my salary that I pay back over time as I earn it. This way, the practice loses nothing.

To your comment earlier, If I generate 1,000,000 and the overhead is 450,000, then I should take home the 550,000.
Another way would be to take a percentage beyond my base without threshold. So that 60% that youre keeping (assuming a 40/60 split), should cover overhead and the rest can be distributed to the partners.

No one is saying that I should walk in and be made partner day 1.
But by the first year, you should know if you like the person.
By year 2, you should see if the person can keep up with you and your partners.
The problem that most new grads and current fellows like myself see are BS arguments saying 'we'll see how it goes' and not having concrete clauses in contracts.

I think I'm just meant to do my own thing and start from the ground up. Though, I would be okay with working under the tutelage of someone for a few years under a fairer contract to get experience.

 

[MitchLevi]

Your overhead is not 450k, and keeping everything after you overhead is a joke. That's an unbelievable statement.

If you start your own practice, you will have an entirely different opinion after a few yrs. I hope you do, and I hope you're extremely successful.

I like PP and everything with it, but I'm not an entrepreneur know my limitations.

 

[BobBarker]

DME and UDS will be tied to your NPI. The patient would get a bill/EOB with your name on it. It would have to be intentionally carved out not to just apply to your production.

 

[BobBarker]

Very few practices have their own MRI. X-ray doesn’t pay anything.