A friend of mine made 370k last year working for sound in Louisiana. I dont know anyone who works for TH.How much does sound physician or team health pay for nocturnist per hour?
A friend of mine made 370k last year working for sound in Louisiana. I dont know anyone who works for TH.How much does sound physician or team health pay for nocturnist per hour?
I was paid 120/hr working nights for them. is there a way I can sue them for discrimination? I left the job in 2019. I was treated terribly during my employment and anything I can do to make them pay will help me with healing.A friend of mine made 370k last year working for sound in Louisiana. I dont know anyone who works for TH.
Were you geographically restricted at that time?I was paid 120/hr working nights for them. is there a way I can sue them for discrimination? I left the job in 2019. I was treated terribly during my employment and anything I can do to make them pay will help me with healing.
it was my first job out of residency. I was not able to get another position until I was one year into that job. Then licensing took about 1month and then credentialing. Did not get to leave until sept 2019.Were you geographically restricted at that time?
260k for nocturnist was extremely low unless that was in a desirable location and you were working ~12 shifts/monthit was
it was my first job out of residency. I was not able to get another position until I was one year into that job. Then licensing took about 1month and then credentialing. Did not get to leave until sept 2019.
And they wanted 6months noticed. I spend the first 6 months trying to negotiate for a raise. By January, I had become so depressed. gave my noticed at that time.
columbus, ohio. Is there a chance I can sue if they were paying others more? it seems that is the case but I have not been able to gather evidence.260k for nocturnist was extremely low unless that was in a desirable location and you were working ~12 shifts/month
Not sure you can sue. May need to talk to a lawyer.columbus, ohio. Is there a chance I can sue if they were paying others more? it seems that is the case but I have not been able to gather evidence.
What subspecialty?How common/uncommon to start a hospitalist/nocturnist job at 0.5 - 0.75 FTE? My wife works and pulls good money - I am looking to add on about 150K income and could see myself doing that as a nocturnist. We have kids and sick parents so I would like to be there to be primary caregiver.
Also any thoughts regarding transition from hospitalist to fellowship? Or is that conversation for another thread? If so, please link me?
Hey thanks for the response.What subspecialty?
Can't speak to the latter but the former is pretty common in my experience around the northeast. I've seen both day hospitalists and nocturnist be accommodated at pretty much any scenario from 0.5-1.2 FTEs. Would just recommend you be very upfront with the program re your circumstances. They're going to be much less pleased to find out a few weeks/months down the road the person they were counting on for a full FTE is now dropping down to half.How common/uncommon to start a hospitalist/nocturnist job at 0.5 - 0.75 FTE? My wife works and pulls good money - I am looking to add on about 150K income and could see myself doing that as a nocturnist. We have kids and sick parents so I would like to be there to be primary caregiver.
Also any thoughts regarding transition from hospitalist to fellowship? Or is that conversation for another thread? If so, please link me?
Pretty common to do less than 1.0 FTE. A bunch of the nocturnists at another hospital in my city are doing 0.6-0.7 FTE, and it works for them.How common/uncommon to start a hospitalist/nocturnist job at 0.5 - 0.75 FTE? My wife works and pulls good money - I am looking to add on about 150K income and could see myself doing that as a nocturnist. We have kids and sick parents so I would like to be there to be primary caregiver.
Also any thoughts regarding transition from hospitalist to fellowship? Or is that conversation for another thread? If so, please link me?
I think given how competitive pulm/cc has become being a stay at home parent is not going to strengthen your application and might make it difficult to get in. The further you get away from residency with nothing new on your CV besides employment the harder it will become for any subspecialty but it really matters who you are up against.Hey thanks for the response.
Considering Pulm/CC personally but was wondering in general what stories folks have heard from going from hospitalist to fellowship. Any factors to consider? Not much out there per my search.
I suppose academic hospitalist probably better option if I’m still considering fellowship? Can anyone speak to that?I think given how competitive pulm/cc has become being a stay at home parent is not going to strengthen your application and might make it difficult to get in. The further you get away from residency with nothing new on your CV besides employment the harder it will become for any subspecialty but it really matters who you are up against.
You need something to show for it, research, education, QI etc etc. You can't just show up and do your work without putting in the extra stuff that fellowship programs want.I suppose academic hospitalist probably better option if I’m still considering fellowship? Can anyone speak to that?
Lol…thank you captain obvious!😜I just started my hospitalist gig and it seems like life as an attending is a heck of a lot better than being a student/resident.
Lol. I thought the job was going to be harder. There is a thread in the EM forum about a hospitalist who is making 400k/yr and wants to go back to do an EM residency so he/she can work in the ED.Lol…thank you captain obvious!😜
Now what? I have a whole week free, what should I do?
No money to travel yet since I am a new hospitalist.
You can use your attending $$$ to do things. I am still a broke doc.I am a few years into practice and still ask myself this question periodically.
If you find this distressing I recommend having children. You will not have free time for many years to come even when you’re off.Now what? I have a whole week free, what should I do?
No money to travel yet since I am a new hospitalist.
Lol. I have 2 and they are school-aged childrenIf you find this distressing I recommend having children. You will not have free time for many years to come even when you’re off.
Time to join the pta and bake some covid awareness brownies and volunteer in the classroom. Or do they go to some fancy pants private school and that is why you are poor?Lol. I have 2 and they are school-aged children
No private school for my kids. Did not go to one myself, and I am doing ok. I guess I should look into some volunteering opportunities.Time to join the pta and bake some covid awareness brownies and volunteer in the classroom. Or do they go to some fancy pants private school and that is why you are poor?
min all honesty I’m in the same place as you except my kids are younger and an endless time sink. I have no hobbies but have a list of some I plan to start…
Sooooooo maybe my final update about being a nocturnist?
I got bored. Nocturnists medicine pays well and my job is relatively easy, but I felt like I wasn’t accomplishing anything. Revolving door of hospital medicine strikes again. Extra bonus: people who only work days not understanding what your job is and being completely unopen to most feedback about flow and hospital issues.
And of course, no hospital will ever want to promote a nocturnist who is doing their job well as keeping those nights staffed is a chief priority, so it ends up being a dead end job. And even though you work nights, you still get badgered about attending daytime meetings at noon when everyone knows you literally just worked the previous night. Really, people?
Scaled back to 1.0, but then subsequently gave notice.
What will I do? Well, started a fun YouTube channel and will very casually look for a job. Looking forward to taking 3 months off (at least) with no true deadlines.
How common is this kinda thing as a nocturnist?Sooooooo maybe my final update about being a nocturnist?
I got bored. Nocturnists medicine pays well and my job is relatively easy, but I felt like I wasn’t accomplishing anything. Revolving door of hospital medicine strikes again. Extra bonus: people who only work days not understanding what your job is and being completely unopen to most feedback about flow and hospital issues.
And of course, no hospital will ever want to promote a nocturnist who is doing their job well as keeping those nights staffed is a chief priority, so it ends up being a dead end job. And even though you work nights, you still get badgered about attending daytime meetings at noon when everyone knows you literally just worked the previous night. Really, people?
Scaled back to 1.0, but then subsequently gave notice.
What will I do? Well, started a fun YouTube channel and will very casually look for a job. Looking forward to taking 3 months off (at least) with no true deadlines.
I mean… it IS the point. But your administrators have to leave you the f*** alone for that to work. Otherwise, well, they lose a nocturnist.How common is this kinda thing as a nocturnist?
I thought the whole point was to be off when you’re off, especially if you’re doing nights! That sounds horrid
Congrats, sounds like you got what you wanted out of it.
I’d be interested in hearing a brag about how much you earned and saved if you care to share, and are you thinking of being a hospitalist again in the future or outpatient or undecided or or or ?
And as a general question, how long do you think a hospitalist can go unemployed (by choice) before they start to get worse at their job if they were hired again? Is it possible that an attending with a few years experience could ‘forget’ important stuff, or say if you always keep up on your licensure you could pretty much be right back in the game after an extended vacation (years even perhaps)? Not that this is your situation I’m just curious.
If we never hear more from you here, it was a good thread!
I believe the poster was asking about net worth.Oh, I’m not going anywhere. Just wanted to give the final update to this particular saga.
Earnings brag: made about $430,000 in 2021. Worked extra shifts (to about 2.0 fte during that time period up until July 1 when I stopped. I haven’t filed taxes this year but I think it came out to about 270k post tax.
Future? Who knows? We’ll see. Open to many possibilities, but likely won’t work more than 1/2 time now that I’ve saved up so much.
And to answer the forgetting question: I feel like I’m getting far more stupid being a nocturnist at this particular hospital than I ever did with time off. The training never goes away, and you can always open uptodate. I’m not a mid level; I did a four year med-peds residency, and while things can be temporarily masked, the big lessons of patient care are never forgotten after 4 years of 80 hours per week.
I said what I saidI believe the poster was asking about net worth.
did you make a ton of money in the market? not understanding how you can go from 400k to nothing in San Francisco and saying things will be okay....Oh, I’m not going anywhere. Just wanted to give the final update to this particular saga.
Earnings brag: made about $430,000 in 2021. Worked extra shifts (to about 2.0 fte during that time period up until July 1 when I stopped. I haven’t filed taxes this year but I think it came out to about 270k post tax.
Future? Who knows? We’ll see. Open to many possibilities, but likely won’t work more than 1/2 time now that I’ve saved up so much.
And to answer the forgetting question: I feel like I’m getting far more stupid being a nocturnist at this particular hospital than I ever did with time off. The training never goes away, and you can always open uptodate. I’m not a mid level; I did a four year med-peds residency, and while things can be temporarily masked, the big lessons of patient care are never forgotten after 4 years of 80 hours per week.
Oh, I'm likely moving.did you make a ton of money in the market? not understanding how you can go from 400k to nothing in San Francisco and saying things will be okay....
Any advice for new guys starting as a nocturnist fresh out of residency? Would you say it's possible to reach financial independence fairly quickly working hard for a couple of years in a HCOL city? My goal is to just out quickly because I dread everything about medicine and just want to pay off my debt, not work anymore and focus on my hobbies. It seems you did it in about 2 years?Oh, I'm likely moving.
Also, that's only one year of earning and I saved > 6 figures.
Housing is expensive here, but I didn't have any trouble living well below my means and building a sizeable nest egg. My partner is also a physician.
Depends on your debt and living expenses but generally absolutely not possible unless you are planning on subsisting on medicaid and dumpster diving and living in a cardboard box using tire fire for warmth at night with no phone for the rest of your life. Look up FIRECALC for an idea of how much you might need but even if you somehow manage to save 600k and pay off all your debt in 2 years you are not going to live off 600k the rest of your life unless you are in your 80s.Any advice for new guys starting as a nocturnist fresh out of residency? Would you say it's possible to reach financial independence fairly quickly working hard for a couple of years in a HCOL city? My goal is to just out quickly because I dread everything about medicine and just want to pay off my debt, not work anymore and focus on my hobbies. It seems you did it in about 2 years?
I mean, I'm not FIRE status yet and still have plenty of debt. Just plenty comfortable working on my youtube channel for several months and stalling given the substantial amount I've saved.Any advice for new guys starting as a nocturnist fresh out of residency? Would you say it's possible to reach financial independence fairly quickly working hard for a couple of years in a HCOL city? My goal is to just out quickly because I dread everything about medicine and just want to pay off my debt, not work anymore and focus on my hobbies. It seems you did it in about 2 years?
The poster might be able to if he/she has a paid off home (a small one) and move to a very low COL area. But it will be a tight one. However, 1 mil plus a paid off home can make that more realisticDepends on your debt and living expenses but generally absolutely not possible unless you are planning on subsisting on medicaid and dumpster diving and living in a cardboard box using tire fire for warmth at night with no phone for the rest of your life. Look up FIRECALC for an idea of how much you might need but even if you somehow manage to save 600k and pay off all your debt in 2 years you are not going to live off 600k the rest of your life unless you are in your 80s.
No way--health insurance, food, property tax, utilities for 50 years on 1M? Safe return on that would be 40k a year max? Hope he never needs dental work or to take a plane anywhere and nothing in the house ever breaks.The poster might be able to if he/she has a paid off home (a small one) and move to a very low COL area. But it will be a tight one. However, 1 mil plus a paid off home can make that more realistic
To be fair Rona has ruined medicine (and many other aspects of society). People are entitled and nasty and we all get pay cuts as a reward for dealing with them. I totally get wanting to burn this bitch down and walk away.My question is why would you have spent 8 years of your life doing med school and residency to only work 2 years? You would have been better working in something else and left that spot to someone that actually wants to do medicine.
The only way you are going g to be FIRE in 2 years is if you win the lottery, a rich relative does and leaves you money, or are lucky in trading.
I'm sure you will agree you've made a bad decision in your life? Unfortunately for many of us it was going down this path. I love the medicine. I just don't love everything that comes with it anymore.My question is why would you have spent 8 years of your life doing med school and residency to only work 2 years? You would have been better working in something else and left that spot to someone that actually wants to do medicine.
The only way you are going g to be FIRE in 2 years is if you win the lottery, a rich relative does and leaves you money, or are lucky in trading.
Then do something non clinical or another aspect on medicine… you can teach, go into informatics, research, etc and frankly resident life and attending life are different…you can have a lot more autonomy once you are out in The real world.I'm sure you will agree you've made a bad decision in your life? Unfortunately for many of us it was going down this path. I love the medicine. I just don't love everything that comes with it anymore.
There is truth in there…but then you find ways to pivot …whether that be a non clinical aspect, part time, focus on certain aspects of medicine that you do like, etc.To be fair Rona has ruined medicine (and many other aspects of society). People are entitled and nasty and we all get pay cuts as a reward for dealing with them. I totally get wanting to burn this bitch down and walk away.
Agree that you can save that much in 2 yrs unless you are a neuro/spine surgeon.No way--health insurance, food, property tax, utilities for 50 years on 1M? Safe return on that would be 40k a year max? Hope he never needs dental work or to take a plane anywhere and nothing in the house ever breaks.
Also paying off a house, debts, and saving 1M in a taxable account is ****ing impressive for 2 years of work. That is neuosurg pay.