Undercounted...?

[Mr.Smile12]

New Study Reveals Pathologists Workforce Undercounted by Nearly 40%

A new study published by Health Affairs Scholar uncovers an undercount in the workforce of pathologists as a result of omitting subspecialized training over several years. In this paper,...

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[tiredguy]

The undercount discovery was already published in the JAMA Network Open publication. This is a follow up study that applies a different methodology and looks into the "fixed" data in greater detail.

 

[MetroPath]

How the hell do you publish a paper about the pathologist workforce and you undercount by 40%? I mean that’s a big miscount.

This from a major physician organization?

 

[SunBakedTrash]

How the hell do you publish a paper about the pathologist workforce and you undercount by 40%? I mean that’s a big miscount.

This from a major physician organization?

It came from AAMC which did not account for people identifying as anything but “pathologist. ” Someone working as a hematopathologist or dermatopathologist were not counted. Nearly all of us have some degree of subspecialization unlike most other specialties.

The subsequent actions by CAP, academia and the corporate labs are either misguided, predatory or both. Positions need to be cut immediately and anyone espousing this misinformation needs to be called out and shamed.

 

[octopusprime]

So the question is to what extent all the CAP workforce shortage crap was perpetuated or influenced by the AAMC data. People in the trenches have been screaming for years that the CAP is wrong on this matter...did CAP disregard it's own metrics and accountability data in lieu of AAMC data knowingly to fit the narrative? Does it even have / did it have it's own metrics & numbers? Or are they really just bumbling out-of-touch idiots in ivory towers?

Furthermore, when is the CAP going to eat its hat and acknowledge there's no massive workforce shortage...or are they sticking to their guns?

 

[HeyDalaron]

You'd expect such a glaring mistake to result in many formal article retractions.

Still haven't seen any updates from CAP about retracting articles with the erroneous data.

Is the CAP being academically dishonest here?

Does this require a journalistic exposee? That's what it took to right the whole Theranos debacle.

 

[caffeinegirl]

This article is so confusing - and it was written by CAP members.
In the discussion:
"Correspondingly, pathology is “top heavy” in older physicians, contributing to a pathologist employment market that is already showing signs of supply shortage."
The reference they use is another article
Strong Job Market for Pathologists: Results From the 2021 College of American Pathologists Practice Leader Survey

So what is it? Not enough pathologists? Too many pathologists? Even though the pathologist ages are "top heavy" changes in practice (ie. transcription, LIS, etc) make the work more efficient, so the general workforce needs are less than 30 years ago.

The press release if from CAP - but again, they frame it so that they still keep the increasing the number of training slots to curtail the "retirement cliff". *sigh* It's like hitting your head against a brick wall.

 

[HeyDalaron]

This article is so confusing - and it was written by CAP members.
In the discussion:
"Correspondingly, pathology is “top heavy” in older physicians, contributing to a pathologist employment market that is already showing signs of supply shortage."
The reference they use is another article
Strong Job Market for Pathologists: Results From the 2021 College of American Pathologists Practice Leader Survey

So what is it? Not enough pathologists? Too many pathologists? Even though the pathologist ages are "top heavy" changes in practice (ie. transcription, LIS, etc) make the work more efficient, so the general workforce needs are less than 30 years ago.

The press release if from CAP - but again, they frame it so that they still keep the increasing the number of training slots to curtail the "retirement cliff". *sigh* It's like hitting your head against a brick wall.

It's intentional. It's corruption to keep the pipeline for cheap underqualified labor open.

It's a shame, partly because it diverts much needed funds from primary care to pathology, where the only beneficiaries are big corporations and academia. Patients certainly aren't getting the best care when the only barrier to entry into pathology is whether or not one has a pulse.

 

[MetroPath]

You'd expect such a glaring mistake to result in many formal article retractions.

Still haven't seen any updates from CAP about retracting articles with the erroneous data.

Is the CAP being academically dishonest here?

Does this require a journalistic exposee? That's what it took to right the whole Theranos debacle.

Guys I’m telling you, our leadership do not have our (the practicing pathologist) best interests at hand.

The former head of CAP who is making a considerable amount of money (owner of a multi state group employing 40-50 pathologists) is employing us pathologists for 4 weeks vacation with sick days taken out of your vacation (mentioned it before).

I directly talked to a pathologist who is part of his group. Ask his pathologists working out of his Florida group. You want a journalistic exposee??? Go ask pathologists who work in his group.

Another colleague I talked to recently has 3 weeks vacation (less vacation than a resident) at her new job located in a large city. (separate group though).

If there is a shortage no one would be taking these 3 week vacation jobs because we would have OPTIONS.

People take these jobs because jobs are limited and you got to take what you can get if you are geographically restricted.

There’s a conflict of interest to pump out more grads versus limit the number of grads. More grads, the cheaper it will be to hire a pathologist because there’s just too many of us.