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What are your opinions on this and the impact it will have on female rights, reproductive health, and how it will impact your family and practice.
Well, it will be more dangerous for women to live in about half the states, and it will be dangerous to practice obstetrics in those states. There are bills banning abortion in the case of ectopic pregnancy in the pipeline and are punishable by imprisonment. Basically, women with means will be flying to coastal cities for abortions and everyone else is out of luck. Overall this will have a negative impact on maternal mortality and will increase the poverty rate in red states.What are your opinions on this and the impact it will have on female rights, reproductive health, and how it will impact your family and practice.
I think it's crazy that this is happening. I wonder how many physicians will risk their freedom to treat their patient and how many women have to pointlessly die for this to be changed. I think alot of specialties will be dealing with this alot of women in unwanted pregnancies will try to self terminate or just not do gestational care and continue to do things that are harmful to the baby.Well, it will be more dangerous for women to live in about half the states, and it will be dangerous to practice obstetrics in those states. There are bills banning abortion in the case of ectopic pregnancy in the pipeline and are punishable by imprisonment. Basically, women with means will be flying to coastal cities for abortions and everyone else is out of luck. Overall this will have a negative impact on maternal mortality and will increase the poverty rate in red states.
Well, it will be more dangerous for women to live in about half the states, and it will be dangerous to practice obstetrics in those states. There are bills banning abortion in the case of ectopic pregnancy in the pipeline and are punishable by imprisonment. Basically, women with means will be flying to coastal cities for abortions and everyone else is out of luck. Overall this will have a negative impact on maternal mortality and will increase the poverty rate in red states.
At this point, you see what congress does?
This is just another addition to their culture war tactic.
They keep pulling all these stunts just as a distraction. They know exactly how people will react. People will fight and cause outrage. And in that outrage, they've successfully distracted everyone from poverty, our falling education quality, improving healthcare, the economic inequality, overseas atrocities, etc.
Clinton is jumping into the spotlight too. I won't be surprised they're working together behind the scenes to set up a good image for her campaign.
Lots of crap going on behind the scenes that none of us can precisely guess as non-insiders. However, the trends over the years have been consistent.
Culture war tactics works well as a distraction from the real problems. For 100 years, lets keep people focused on battling social issues so we can continue to milk them for tangible assets. To quote a certain rich person, we're not livestock, we "capital stock" to be farmed for money.
These people sit in a room together. You think after work, they don't go to their golf courses and discuss how to mutually screw people to the collective benefits of themselves? That's also why we always have to pick the lesser of 2 evils every election cycle. There's no real choice to begin with.
IUD and plan B bans will no doubt follow. The level to which we are going back with regard to reproductive health will be horrifying, and Roe is but the startWhat are your opinions on this and the impact it will have on female rights, reproductive health, and how it will impact your family and practice.
It's laughable you think this has anything to do with any Clinton. This was a very long game by the Republicans that was pulled off care of weak Democrats. It isn't a "culture war," it is a health issue that is literally going to result in the death and suffering of women across much of the nationAt this point, you see what congress does?
This is just another addition to their culture war tactic.
They keep pulling all these stunts just as a distraction. They know exactly how people will react. People will fight and cause outrage. And in that outrage, they've successfully distracted everyone from poverty, our falling education quality, improving healthcare, the economic inequality, overseas atrocities, etc.
Clinton is jumping into the spotlight too. I won't be surprised they're working together behind the scenes to set up a good image for her campaign.
Lots of crap going on behind the scenes that none of us can precisely guess as non-insiders. However, the trends over the years have been consistent.
Culture war tactics works well as a distraction from the real problems. For 100 years, lets keep people focused on battling social issues so we can continue to milk them for tangible assets. To quote a certain rich person, we're not livestock, we "capital stock" to be farmed for money.
These people sit in a room together. You think after work, they don't go to their golf courses and discuss how to mutually screw people to the collective benefits of themselves? That's also why we always have to pick the lesser of 2 evils every election cycle. There's no real choice to begin with.
While I do believe that is true we really need to stop the GOP from making human rights illegal.At this point, you see what congress does?
This is just another addition to their culture war tactic.
They keep pulling all these stunts just as a distraction. They know exactly how people will react. People will fight and cause outrage. And in that outrage, they've successfully distracted everyone from poverty, our falling education quality, improving healthcare, the economic inequality, overseas atrocities, etc.
Clinton is jumping into the spotlight too. I won't be surprised they're working together behind the scenes to set up a good image for her campaign.
Lots of crap going on behind the scenes that none of us can precisely guess as non-insiders. However, the trends over the years have been consistent.
Culture war tactics works well as a distraction from the real problems. For 100 years, lets keep people focused on battling social issues so we can continue to milk them for tangible assets. To quote a certain rich person, we're not livestock, we "capital stock" to be farmed for money.
These people sit in a room together. You think after work, they don't go to their golf courses and discuss how to mutually screw people to the collective benefits of themselves? That's also why we always have to pick the lesser of 2 evils every election cycle. There's no real choice to begin with.
They are already starting to do that in some states as well as not letting people that are pregnant leave the state without having to prove they are still pregnant on return. I don't see how they can do that legally because the "crime" would occur in another state which means they don't have jurisdiction to prosecute.IUD and plan B bans will no doubt follow. The level to which we are going back with regard to reproductive health will be horrifying, and Roe is but the start
You're against people getting any kind of abortion?As a woman, I’m happy about it and completely for it. 🥳
IUD and plan B bans will no doubt follow. The level to which we are going back with regard to reproductive health will be horrifying, and Roe is but the start
I wonder what's going to happen in all of these states if they lose a large portion of their educated populace? I would be afraid to practice in one of these states because what happens if you follow the laws, your patient dies of something preventable during pregnancy, and then the law eventually gets overturned and your state tries to pin the death on you to escape accountability?Yup… several folks have already started pushing these, and other proposals such as condoms for married people only.
I cannot fathom any minority, racial or sexual, voting for such fascist laws
I wonder what's going to happen in all of these states if they lose a large portion of their educated populace? I would be afraid to practice in one of these states because what happens if you follow the laws, your patient dies of something preventable during pregnancy, and then the law eventually gets overturned and your state tries to pin the death on you to escape accountability?
Vandy got Vaught charged to get CMS off their back using the state, Gainey got arrested because a Trump cabinets family member fell and died in her care, another nurse got charged with manslaughter for COs choking a prisoner out. These are all examples of organizations using connections with states to put the blame off of them and on to healthcare workers so this isn't a reach. I could see a DA in Louisiana being like "yeah I know the law said that you couldn't treat that ectopic pregnancy, but since you're a doctor and swore an oath to protect your patient you should have broken the law to do so, this is negligent homicide."
I'm calling it now when the outrage occurs when the deaths start rolling in the state will blame the people treating these patients.They don’t care who they hurt since “the end justify the means”.
There will always be people who have to stay where they due to lack of resources, families, jobs etc. and the docs who end up treating them may be the ones who agree with these bat**** crazy policies.
And ofcourse if a woman does die in these states, it would obviously her fault cos she dared have sex, or dared to get raped../s
The GOP is clearly the party of unobtrusive government and freedom incarnateYup… several folks have already started pushing these, and other proposals such as condoms for married people only.
I cannot fathom any minority, racial or sexual, voting for such fascist laws
That's totally how democracy should work.A Republican Senate candidate endorsed by Peter Thiel is campaigning on a pledge to vote only for judges who oppose the SCOTUS ruling establishing the right to birth control
Blake Masters pledged to vote for judges who believe Griswold v. Connecticut, Roe v. Wade, and Planned Parenthood v. Casey were wrongly decided.www.businessinsider.com
Where they see an inch they'll try and take a mile
And then look at my field- I work with severe mental illness. Many medications that these patients require to function interfere with the function of hormonal birth control, and if a pregnancy occurs can cause significant birth defects. Their judgment is often impaired at baseline due to the long-term cognitive effects and residual symptoms of their illnesses. So long as they are on these medications, we recommend two forms of contraception for these patients, one of which is ideally long-term (IUD or implant). Often they cannot function outside of an institution when they are unmedicated, which puts me in the impossible choice of not prescribing these medications and falling short of the standard of care or prescribing them to a patient that cannot reasonably be expected to not become pregnant in the future. Both of these scenarios create enormous liability and potential loss of licensure. I literally cannot practice my profession ethically in a state that does not offer readily available contraception.That's totally how democracy should work.
Another thing, not only do these physicians have to worry about the state trying to make them scapegoats, they'll have to worry about the families of the pregnant women that died under their care. Do they really think all of these husbands and fathers are going to just shrug their shoulders go that's life and go about their way? I'm willing to bet some will blame the doctor for their death and seek retribution.
Since the politician motto is deny, deflect, resign I'm sure they would be more than happy to throw you under the bus in these states since you willingly fell short of the standard of care. I wouldn't work in these states as that job is the definition of a proverbial time bomb just waiting to go off by the state, the hospital, or a pissed off family member that wants justice.And then look at my field- I work with severe mental illness. Many medications that these patients require to function interfere with the function of hormonal birth control, and if a pregnancy occurs can cause significant birth defects. Their judgment is often impaired at baseline due to the long-term cognitive effects and residual symptoms of their illnesses. So long as they are on these medications, we recommend two forms of contraception for these patients, one of which is ideally long-term (IUD or implant). Often they cannot function outside of an institution when they are unmedicated, which puts me in the impossible choice of not prescribing these medications and falling sjort of the standard of care or prescribing them to a patient that cannot reasonably be expected to not become pregnant in the future. Both of these scenarios create enormous liability and potential loss of licensure. I literally cannot practice my profession ethically in a state that does not offer readily available contraception.
Why wouldn't they? Look at what the governor of Texas is doing. Wouldn't be too big of a leap for them to go "hey want your kids to be able to read? Better go work my field."Yes, returning Roe v Wade to the states is going to result in the return of slavery.
Who is stupid enough to believe this???
I think that is a disingenuous statement. Let’s break it down into two parts. The first part of your assertion “Return Roe v Wade to the states.” Let’s be clear, Roe v. Wade took the decision away from the government and gave it to the individual. This is a case of the government gaining power over reproductive decisions that were previously made by a physician and patient.Yes, returning Roe v Wade to the states is going to result in the return of slavery.
Who is stupid enough to believe this???
Yes, returning Roe v Wade to the states is going to result in the return of slavery.
Who is stupid enough to believe this???
FutureInternist disagrees with youNo one here brought up slavery but you.
if my patients were given universal basic income, I can almost guarantee there would be a higher rate of SUD in my area then there already is, more relapsing, and more overdosing. It would be the equivalent of food stamps, which in itself, is a program that doesnt really work well and is poorly regulated. If they made it more similar to WIC, then I could get on board with that, which is a great program that makes total sense.With the pro-life debate settled, I’m glad the Congress can finally focus on the next steps: Universal Basic Income and Universal Healthcare… ya know, to support dem babies!
Yes, returning Roe v Wade to the states is going to result in the return of slavery.
Who is stupid enough to believe this???
To be fair, we never entirely got rid of slavery. We decided inmates are still allowed to be slaves and while it probably isn't a popular cause to champion the rights of inmates, the war on drugs sure did disproportionately put more minorities behind bars.
The prison system has issues but I would not equate being a prisoner to being a slave, that's a bit of a leap.
And let's not forget the bans on treating ectopic pregnancies that will literally be murdering women for no reasonNot slavery… but gay marriage, the right to NOT get fired just for being gay, contraception (even pills)… and based on the fact that these rights were not enumerated in the Constitution… the same one that says Blacks are 3/5th of a man (cos slave owing Aholes wanted them to count toward population for extra representatives), and doesn’t give women the right to vote.
This is why any minority voting Republican is betraying what their predecessors have fought (and died) for
One of the most ignorant comments I have seen in a while.Why wouldn't they? Look at what the governor of Texas is doing. Wouldn't be too big of a leap for them to go "hey want your kids to be able to read? Better go work my field."
How so? If every child doesn't have a right to an education you'll have to pay for it somehow right?One of the most ignorant comments I have seen in a while.
"Wouldn't be too big of a leap for them to go "hey want your kids to be able to read? Better go work my field."....Totally ridiculous statement and contributes nothing to this site.How so? If every child doesn't have a right to an education you'll have to pay for it somehow right?
To be frank your comments quoting my post contribute even less."Wouldn't be too big of a leap for them to go "hey want your kids to be able to read? Better go work my field."....Totally ridiculous statement and contributes nothing to this site.
Cool, feeling is mutual....To be frank your comments quoting my post contribute even less.
Yeah I feel like anyone with the resources that's not a religious wackjob are going to be fleeing these states. Doctors, nurses, teachers, etc.It happened. Welcome to the 1960s people
If anything liberals should be fleeing *to* Texas. If Texas goes blue, the GOP will never win the presidency againYeah I feel like anyone with the resources that's not a religious wackjob are going to be fleeing these states. Doctors, nurses, teachers, etc.
I mean, isn't that already happening?If anything liberals should be fleeing *to* Texas. If Texas goes blue, the GOP will never win the presidency again
To some degree. There are also a lot of conservative people moving there though. Gotta tip those scalesI mean, isn't that already happening?
I say let all of the educated people who value reproductive freedom leave those states. If they can't get enough people to staff schools and hospitals that may freak them out enough to change the laws.If anything liberals should be fleeing *to* Texas. If Texas goes blue, the GOP will never win the presidency again
Won't happenI say let all of the educated people who value reproductive freedom leave those states. If they can't get enough people to staff schools and hospitals that may freak them out enough to change the laws.
The kinds of people that push for these laws would rather die than give up their positionI say let all of the educated people who value reproductive freedom leave those states. If they can't get enough people to staff schools and hospitals that may freak them out enough to change the laws.
How so? Teachers, lawyers, nurses, doctors, and more make enough money to go to other states to work.Won't happen