The Republic of Texas XL: If you are riding a high horse, there ain't no way to get down off it gracefully.

[Bored_Conscious]

Which school made 170 pre-match offers (see graph above) in the last cycle ?

Maybe UTMB. UTMB has a huge pre-match group from what I've heard.

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[Bill Haas]

Ahahaha, I knew somebody would ask me that.
In the presentation, Mr. Jasso said he will not tell which school is which. You can only assume that the school which gave 170 prematch offers is one of the schools with a large class size.
And remember, all the offers are not made on October 15, but can happen any time in the following 3.5 months!

@wysdoc, exactly Mr. Jasso didn’t elaborate

 

[Bill Haas]

Maybe UTMB. UTMB has a huge pre-match group from what I've heard.

It could be others too

 

[MyOdyssey]

@wysdoc Is there any way to retain TX residency for medical school purposes for someone (a) born in TX, (b) who graduated high school from TX, and (c) who spent 2 years post college in TX but who then takes an out of state job for two years right before applying to medical school?

Where can I find a definite answer to this question?

Thanks.

 

[wysdoc]

@wysdoc Is there any way to retain TX residency for medical school purposes for someone (a) born in TX, (b) who graduated high school from TX, and (c) who spent 2 years post college in TX but who then takes an out of state job for two years right before applying to medical school?

Where can I find a definite answer to this question?

Thanks.

The definitive judgement comes from the TMDSAS residency specialist.
If you don't have a TMDSAS account yet, you might be able to ask your question to them at [email protected]
Explain your circumstances to them as specifically as possible. I'm guessing that if you were gone 2 years for Americorps, Teach for America, a MacArthur grant, etc. and had always intended to return to Texas, you might be able to keep your status.

 

[DirtBike]

This process is miserable. I truly hope it serves its purpose and benefits Texas applicants.

 

[MyOdyssey]

This process is miserable. I truly hope it serves its purpose and benefits Texas applicants.

Its purpose is not to benefit TX applicants and that is not its effect. Data shows that TX residents have among the lowest medical school acceptance rates in the nation - primarily bc non-TX medical schools assume TX residents want to stay in state due to the lower tuition.

 

[1ightningz]

Its purpose is not to benefit TX applicants and that is not its effect. Data shows that TX residents have among the lowest medical school acceptance rates in the nation - primarily bc non-TX medical schools assume TX residents want to stay in state due to the lower tuition.

Although that may not be the case actually. I, along with some other Texas residents I know, have gotten interviews at OOS MD schools. Whether those translate into acceptances or not we'll see, but at least private MD schools aren't afraid to interview Texas residents.

 

[wysdoc]

Although that may not be the case actually. I, along with some other Texas residents I know, have gotten interviews at OOS MD schools. Whether those translate into acceptances or not we'll see, but at least private MD schools aren't afraid to interview Texas residents.

About 250 Texans a year matriculate to OOS schools, and 1650 approximately stay in Texas.
The advantage Texans have is that 90% of the seats in TX schools go to Texas applicants.
I always hear “it’s easier to get into Med school if you’re a Texan.” However, last year’s stats say our IS matriculation number was only 29 % of those who filed a complete application.
It is true that a Texan is more likely to attend school in state.
The financial advantage might sway students to stay in Texas even if they also have an OOS acceptance, as state support of our schools makes tuition 1/3 to 1/2 if what they would pay OOS.

 

[1ightningz]

About 250 Texans a year matriculate to OOS schools, and 1650 approximately stay in Texas.
The advantage Texans have is that 90% of the seats in TX schools go to Texas applicants.
I always hear “it’s easier to get into Med school if you’re a Texan.” However, last year’s stats say our IS matriculation number was only 29 % of those who filed a complete application.
It is true that a Texan is more likely to attend school in state.
The financial advantage might sway students to stay in Texas even if they also have an OOS acceptance, as state support of our schools makes tuition 1/3 to 1/2 if what they would pay OOS.

Yes but the claim is that it is harder for Texas residents to get acceptances OOS. We don't know the data for how many of those 1650 also had OOS MD acceptances.

 

[wysdoc]

Yes but the claim is that it is harder for Texas residents to get acceptances OOS. We don't know the data for how many of those 1650 also had OOS MD acceptances.

Correct, we don’t have those numbers

 

[KnightDoc]

Correct, we don’t have those numbers

True, but, for the latest year reported, 62% of TX applicants did not matriculate anywhere, as compared to the national average of 58%. Given the huge advantage they have IS, it stands to reason they do disproportionately poorly OOS, regardless of how many IS matriculants happen to have given up an OOS acceptance.

Whether this is due to an anti-TX bias is an open question. Since their stats are slightly above the national average, they are not objectively weaker than other OOS candidates. It is also possible TX applicants handicap themselves by not even applying through AMCAS, since it represents an entirely different application and expense. They then limit themselves to their advantage with TMDSAS schools, failing to take into account that there are not nearly enough seats in TX for all of them. If this is actually happening, it is bound to get even worse going forward now that Baylor has removed itself from AMCAS.

The prevailing SDN theory is that there is a bias against OOS TX applicants due a presumption that they will stay IS if given the opportunity, but anecdotal evidence showing that strong TX applicants seem to do well OOS calls this into question. The only thing that is certain is that it is far easier to get into a TX school if you are considered a TX resident by TMDSAS, and that, in general, TX applicants do a little worse than the national average.

 

[jhmmd]

About 250 Texans a year matriculate to OOS schools, and 1650 approximately stay in Texas.
The advantage Texans have is that 90% of the seats in TX schools go to Texas applicants.
I always hear “it’s easier to get into Med school if you’re a Texan.” However, last year’s stats say our IS matriculation number was only 29 % of those who filed a complete application.
It is true that a Texan is more likely to attend school in state.
The financial advantage might sway students to stay in Texas even if they also have an OOS acceptance, as state support of our schools makes tuition 1/3 to 1/2 if what they would pay OOS.

Yes. It's simple math. A lot of Texas M.D./D.O. schools, and they accept ~90% in-state residents. While the overall matriculation rate is still quite low, you have an advanatage being a Texas resident, for whatever reason.

This is why residency reqiurements for being deemed a Texan are quite stringent--people have been known to do all sorts of crazy things like rent a P.O. box in Texas/fly there periodically to vote/etc. In case you are wondering, this kind of **** doesn't fly and you could get black balled from ALL medical schools, so if you are in doubt...probably should just check directly with admissions like @wysdoc said.

 

[MyOdyssey]

True, but, for the latest year reported, 62% of TX applicants did not matriculate anywhere, as compared to the national average of 58%. Given the huge advantage they have IS, it stands to reason they do disproportionately poorly OOS, regardless of how many IS matriculants happen to have given up an OOS acceptance.

Whether this is due to an anti-TX bias is an open question. Since their stats are slightly above the national average, they are not objectively weaker than other OOS candidates. It is also possible TX applicants handicap themselves by not even applying through AMCAS, since it represents an entirely different application and expense. They then limit themselves to their advantage with TMDSAS schools, failing to take into account that there are not nearly enough seats in TX for all of them. If this is actually happening, it is bound to get even worse going forward now that Baylor has removed itself from AMCAS.

The prevailing SDN theory is that there is a bias against OOS TX applicants due a presumption that they will stay IS if given the opportunity, but anecdotal evidence showing that strong TX applicants seem to do well OOS calls this into question. The only thing that is certain is that it is far easier to get into a TX school if you are considered a TX resident by TMDSAS, and that, in general, TX applicants do a little worse than the national average.

Where does one find data for matriculation rate by state of residence?

 

[jhmmd]

Where does one find data for matriculation rate by state of residence?

The MSAR lists OOS vs. IS per school, but I do not know of any resource that lists state of residence for each matriculant at every school (other than the schools' websites).

 

[KnightDoc]

Where does one find data for matriculation rate by state of residence?

AAMC publishes data on just about everything. It's the same data @wysdoc is citing.

 

[MyOdyssey]

AAMC publishes data on just about everything. It's the same data @wysdoc is citing.

MSAR or something else?

 

[wysdoc]

AAMC publishes data on just about everything. It's the same data @wysdoc is citing.

The table we got the data from is AAMC Data Table A-5.
Reading the Texas line, it shows that in the 2020-2021 year,
31.8 % of Texans matriculated in-state,
6.1% of Texans matriculated out-of-state, (doesn't say which states)
62.1% matriculated nowhere (were not admitted).

The AAMC data does include TMDSAS schools and AMCAS schools in its calculations, but does not include DO schools.
There are other AAMC data tables that present different information, check them out by searching.
Here is the link to Table A-5: https://www.aamc.org/media/6016/download

 

[wysdoc]

Gather 'round, y'all!

Whatever excitement, fear, bravado, worry, confidence, denial, pride, doubt, or uncertainty is going through your mind right now, these feelings are all normal!

Tomorrow, October 15th, is the first date that medical schools may release offers of admission.
If you are an applicant who has had the chance to interview by now, this could be you!
In Texas we call this the start of the "pre-match offer" period.
This year it runs from October 15, 2021 to January 31, 2022.

Getting a pre-match offer takes the pressure off you, as you now know you have a place at a medical school next year.
I hope you will take it with gratitude.

Remember that October 15th is the beginning, not the end, of chances to be accepted at med schools where you have interviewed, or will interview in the future. If you hear nothing tomorrow, your road is less certain right now, but still leads forward.

You may accept and hold any and all pre-match offers you get until February. We'll talk more about Match procedures then.

So be proud if you've interviewed, get excited about tomorrow, and know that if you hear nothing you still have lots of chances to interview at more schools, or even to get an offer later in the year from one of the schools you've already seen!

Wysdoc

p.s. See up there where it says "medical schools may release"? They may give out some news tomorrow, but they don't have to.

 

[JJNonTrad]

Thanks Wysdoc. I’m sitting here wondering roughly what % of all prematches are released on “day one”. Any insight? I know they don’t release numbers..

 

[wysdoc]

Thanks Wysdoc. I’m sitting here wondering roughly what % of all prematches are released on “day one”. Any insight? I know they don’t release numbers..

Nope, but I am glad to be able to know the numbers that were analyzed about last cycle's prematches, because TMDSAS hasn't tracked or published it until now.
Keep in mind the we are only halfway through the months for available interviews, so schools are wise to be careful and not offer too many spots this early in the year. There are lots of candidates they have not met.

 

[wysdoc]

*^*^*^*^ TMDSAS first Pre-Match Offers! *^*^*^*^

Some pre-match offers are being made today. The first ones were reported by SDN members shortly after 8AM.
I would love it if you share your news on the individual school threads, and I will post a timeline here over the next week or two, just to show you when the first offers from each school went out.

Congratulations!

October 15
TCOM
Texas A&M
Texas Tech Lubbock
Texas Tech El Paso
U of Houston
UT Houston (McGovern)
TCU (AMCAS)
UTSW
SHSU

October 20
UTRGV

October 22
UTMB

November 11
Long

November 12
Dell

November 30
Baylor

 

[wysdoc]

Hang in there, y'all. 8 of the TMDSAS schools made their first pre-match offers on October 15th and I will update the list above when others do theirs.
We still have many more months of interviews and a chance for schools to meet you and like you!
Spend a little time reading about your schools and thinking about how you will describe yourself or present yourself to them, given the chance.

 

[JJNonTrad]

I have a question about thank you notes.

I recently interviewed at a school with MMIs.

The school stated that all communications must go to the general admissions email.

Should I send individual (6-8) thank you notes to all the MMI interviewers to the admissions email or just one general to the admissions team?

Thanks!

 

[wysdoc]

I have a question about thank you notes.

I recently interviewed at a school with MMIs.

The school stated that all communications must go to the general admissions email.

Should I send individual (6-8) thank you notes to all the MMI interviewers to the admissions email or just one general to the admissions team?

Thanks!

Just one general one! If one of the people you talked to stuck out in your mind, mention them & what you discussed

 

[Bill Haas]

I have a question about thank you notes.

I recently interviewed at a school with MMIs.

The school stated that all communications must go to the general admissions email.

Should I send individual (6-8) thank you notes to all the MMI interviewers to the admissions email or just one general to the admissions team?

Thanks!

One general Thank you email to the Admissions Committee

 

[JJNonTrad]

Thank you all!

 

[wysdoc]

Final deadline for submitting TMDSAS Primary application is today by 5 pm Central Time Zone.

Y'all did this a long time ago, right?

The relevance of the deadline is also that the schools will be getting no more new competitors for those of you already in the system, and they can know that their applicant pool is complete and carry on inviting you for interviews over the next few months.

 

[zdm2022]

This question goes out to anyone willing to answer it - when in the interview period for texas schools, what constitutes a "late" interview in the cycle? Do you think you have a huge dropoff in chance for an II if you hadn't heard from a school by a specific month? Say, like end of November?

 

[TheGranolaKing]

This question goes out to anyone willing to answer it - when in the interview period for texas schools, what constitutes a "late" interview in the cycle? Do you think you have a huge dropoff in chance for an II if you hadn't heard from a school by a specific month? Say, like end of November?

The interview period stretches from late July until mid-February. What counts as a 'late' interview as well as your chances for an II after a certain point will depend on when you were complete at each school among other factors.

 

[zdm2022]

For TMDSAS specifically, if I had to drop a research course because I had to end up taking a new job - the course is not required for graduation, nor is it required for medical school pre-req wise -

Would this be a massive issue if I prematched and sent the transcript to them? The research class was on the planned courses I submitted in the summer, but since I'm working now I have to drop the project because there aren't enough hours in the day.

 

[wysdoc]

For TMDSAS specifically, if I had to drop a research course because I had to end up taking a new job - the course is not required for graduation, nor is it required for medical school pre-req wise -

Would this be a massive issue if I prematched and sent the transcript to them? The research class was on the planned courses I submitted in the summer, but since I'm working now I have to drop the project because there aren't enough hours in the day.

It wouldn't be an issue as they know that classes planned for the future can change, so as long as you have covered the prereqs needed for the med school and covered your graduation requirements, you are good. Be sure you dropped the course officially by the deadline.

 

[fluffybagel]

It wouldn't be an issue as they know that classes planned for the future can change, so as long as you have covered the prereqs needed for the med school and covered your graduation requirements, you are good. Be sure you dropped the course officially by the deadline.

I'm in a similar situation except that the course in question is a pre-req. I am planning on taking the course next Spring as a flex course and should have it done by March 15th. It shouldn't be an issue if I prematched and sent them a transcript that shows it was done in Spring instead of Fall?

 

[wysdoc]

I'm in a similar situation except that the course in question is a pre-req. I am planning on taking the course next Spring as a flex course and should have it done by March 15th. It shouldn't be an issue if I prematched and sent them a transcript that shows it was done in Spring instead of Fall?

Yes you should be fine if you can complete your pre-req course before the end of Spring Term.
You can't be in a summer term course that might not be finished before a med school's orientation date.

 

[pssowers34]

Hi everyone,
I’m a pre-med Texas resident at an OOS school. Unfortunately, our school does not offer a Biochemistry course that has all the required topics on the TMDSAS website. I posted about this a few weeks ago, and after some research, I'm now quite confident that TMDSAS will NOT accept my school's current biochem course.

Locally, it’s very difficult to get into upper-D science courses at other universities, as seats usually fill up with science majors at those universities. So, I really need to take this class at my college.

My school might be willing to offer a course titled “Special Topics: Biochemistry” (course number 3000+, so upper division) that would fulfill all the required topics listed on the TMDSAS website. However, I’m concerned that this course will look weird to TMDSAS and could mess up my whole application. I would prefer not to have weird classes on my application that could be perceived as a deficiency or just weird (is that even a legitimate concern?). Most importantly, whatever I do, I do NOT want to have to defer and retake Biochemistry when I could be an MS1.

Before I pursue asking my school to offer this special topics course, I need to find out if TMDSAS would potentially accept it. I don't think I can ask TMDSAS yet, as this class is purely theoretical right now. If y’all think it will probably be a no, I will probably look for different options, and vice versa with a yes.

Basically, my question is: if I take a course titled “Special Topics: Biochemistry,” do y’all think that will be accepted as a Biochemistry pre-requisite by TMDSAS?

Thanks in advance for your help!

 

[jhmmd]

Hi everyone,
I’m a pre-med Texas resident at an OOS school. Unfortunately, our school does not offer a Biochemistry course that has all the required topics on the TMDSAS website. I posted about this a few weeks ago, and after some research, I'm now quite confident that TMDSAS will NOT accept my school's current biochem course.

Locally, it’s very difficult to get into upper-D science courses at other universities, as seats usually fill up with science majors at those universities. So, I really need to take this class at my college.

My school might be willing to offer a course titled “Special Topics: Biochemistry” (course number 3000+, so upper division) that would fulfill all the required topics listed on the TMDSAS website. However, I’m concerned that this course will look weird to TMDSAS and could mess up my whole application. I would prefer not to have weird classes on my application that could be perceived as a deficiency or just weird (is that even a legitimate concern?). Most importantly, whatever I do, I do NOT want to have to defer and retake Biochemistry when I could be an MS1.

Before I pursue asking my school to offer this special topics course, I need to find out if TMDSAS would potentially accept it. I don't think I can ask TMDSAS yet, as this class is purely theoretical right now. If y’all think it will probably be a no, I will probably look for different options, and vice versa with a yes.

Basically, my question is: if I take a course titled “Special Topics: Biochemistry,” do y’all think that will be accepted as a Biochemistry pre-requisite by TMDSAS?

Thanks in advance for your help!

I would do your best to take the course at another school. This sounds like a difficult situation. Good luck <3

 

[whambamarsenalfan17]

Hi everyone,
I’m a pre-med Texas resident at an OOS school. Unfortunately, our school does not offer a Biochemistry course that has all the required topics on the TMDSAS website. I posted about this a few weeks ago, and after some research, I'm now quite confident that TMDSAS will NOT accept my school's current biochem course.

Locally, it’s very difficult to get into upper-D science courses at other universities, as seats usually fill up with science majors at those universities. So, I really need to take this class at my college.

My school might be willing to offer a course titled “Special Topics: Biochemistry” (course number 3000+, so upper division) that would fulfill all the required topics listed on the TMDSAS website. However, I’m concerned that this course will look weird to TMDSAS and could mess up my whole application. I would prefer not to have weird classes on my application that could be perceived as a deficiency or just weird (is that even a legitimate concern?). Most importantly, whatever I do, I do NOT want to have to defer and retake Biochemistry when I could be an MS1.

Before I pursue asking my school to offer this special topics course, I need to find out if TMDSAS would potentially accept it. I don't think I can ask TMDSAS yet, as this class is purely theoretical right now. If y’all think it will probably be a no, I will probably look for different options, and vice versa with a yes.

Basically, my question is: if I take a course titled “Special Topics: Biochemistry,” do y’all think that will be accepted as a Biochemistry pre-requisite by TMDSAS?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Just look for the course at a local community college

 

[Bill Haas]

Just look for the course at a local community college

Or on UNT's website, if they offer the course ?

 

[throwaway01564]

yall think baylor will start this friday or wait till next week?

 

[Xerxyie]

So what % of interview invites do we think are left in this current cycle?

 

[Benevolent_Cauliflower]

So what % of interview invites do we think are left in this current cycle?

I would say no more than 20-25% for Texas. I am a little panicked because of just one interview so far. I have applied to OOS this year since I am a reapplicant and also no interviews. The whole process is mentally tough.

 

[aks1468]

Good Morning guys! Hope everyone’s doing well and hanging in there. As y’all know today is the last day to submit a lot of those supporting documents for TMDSAS. One of the physicians I’m working with submitted their letter of recommendation yesterday and showed me a screenshot of what she had sent over. I noticed there were a couple typos in the letter and I was wondering if this would be something that might be a deal-breaker to medical schools, particularly the more competitive ones. I know it’s kind of an obscure question but please let me know if you have any input!

 

[wysdoc]

Good Morning guys! Hope everyone’s doing well and hanging in there. As y’all know today is the last day to submit a lot of those supporting documents for TMDSAS. One of the physicians I’m working with submitted their letter of recommendation yesterday and showed me a screenshot of what she had sent over. I noticed there were a couple typos in the letter and I was wondering if this would be something that might be a deal-breaker to medical schools, particularly the more competitive ones. I know it’s kind of an obscure question but please let me know if you have any input!

Nah, those typos are on her, not on you. Just double check that the letter was on some kind of a letterhead, dated, and signed.

 

[aks1468]

Nah, those typos are on her, not on you. Just double check that the letter was on some kind of a letterhead, dated, and signed.

Whew, that’s a relief. Thank you so much @wysdoc really don’t know what I’d do without you!

 

[JJNonTrad]

I've interviewed at 4 schools and unfortunately, no pre match.

I would REALLY like to visit these schools prior to doing my match rankings, but they list on their website they are not offering tours.

Is it appropriate to e-mail admissions requesting a tour, even though the website expressly says no tours? Virtual interview days were fine, but I don't feel like I have enough information to make my rankings.

Thoughts?

 

[king1243]

I've interviewed at 4 schools and unfortunately, no pre match.

I would REALLY like to visit these schools prior to doing my match rankings, but they list on their website they are not offering tours.

Is it appropriate to e-mail admissions requesting a tour, even though the website expressly says no tours? Virtual interview days were fine, but I don't feel like I have enough information to make my rankings.

Thoughts?

For a couple of the schools that I have interviewed at, I have either just gone and explored a little bit on my own or talked to a student I met on interview day to see if they could show me around. If the website says no tours, it means no tours. But you can still learn a lot by just being around the campus for a few hours IMO. This said, the cost/benefit of this depends on how far you have to travel bc that could definitely make it rough

 

[Bill Haas]

I've interviewed at 4 schools and unfortunately, no pre match.

I would REALLY like to visit these schools prior to doing my match rankings, but they list on their website they are not offering tours.

Is it appropriate to e-mail admissions requesting a tour, even though the website expressly says no tours? Virtual interview days were fine, but I don't feel like I have enough information to make my rankings.

Thoughts?

Visiting a school, obviously shows interest and will earn you brownie points.
However, TMDSAS schools aren't falling for that and are only inviting, for in-person tours, only those who have pre-matched.

 

[hovvdyyall]

Visiting a school, obviously shows interest and will earn you brownie points.
However, TMDSAS schools aren't falling for that and are only inviting, for in-person tours, only those who have pre-matched.

This isn't true–there are multiple schools that offer in-persons tours to applicants who have interviewed.

 

[Bill Haas]

This isn't true–there are multiple schools that offer in-persons tours to applicants who have interviewed.

Please share ...

 

[hovvdyyall]

Please share ...

UTMB, UTRGV, & Long are some schools that offer tours for interviewees–and there may be some other schools as well.