2023-2024 New York Institute of Technology College of Osteopathic Medicine (NYITCOM)

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tryingmybest@2001 said:
The email they sent out a week ago to some people about the Masters linkage program to start at nyit the following yr. I’m wondering if we got that it means we aren’t rlly being considered when it comes to being taken off the WL
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TripleT in one of the posts above mentioned that people who received that email have gotten off the WL in the past. If you accept the offer then I think you are taken off the WL, if not then you stay on.
 
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_CaptainKaladin_ said:
TripleT in one of the posts above mentioned that people who received that email have gotten off the WL in the past. If you accept the offer then I think you are taken off the WL, if not then you stay on.
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You are able to stay on the waitlist even after you are accepted into the bridge program: "If you elect to apply and accept an offer for the M.S. in Simulation Bridge Program, you will still be permitted to maintain your waitlist status for the NYITCOM Class of 2028 until the start of classes."
 
t_j_h said:
You are able to stay on the waitlist even after you are accepted into the bridge program: "If you elect to apply and accept an offer for the M.S. in Simulation Bridge Program, you will still be permitted to maintain your waitlist status for the NYITCOM Class of 2028 until the start of classes."
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Yea I was just wondering the likelihood of actually getting off. Congrats on getting off!
 
futuredoc155 said:
Also did you get the bridge program email?
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I did get the bridge program email and I had submitted an application for it last week.

I interviewed early March
OOS with no ties to NY, though it was my first choice
MCAT: 501
GPA: 3.67
sGPA: 3.4
Full time research for 3 years, one published paper and two more incoming
Strong volunteer hours and healthcare experiences
 
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I wonder if there will be anymore waitlist movement today or early next week. Looks like only once person here has been accepted so far. Fingers crossed we see more movement on Monday :)
 
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t_j_h said:
I did get the bridge program email and I had submitted an application for it last week.

I interviewed early March
OOS with no ties to NY, though it was my first choice
MCAT: 501
GPA: 3.67
sGPA: 3.4
Full time research for 3 years, one published paper and two more incoming
Strong volunteer hours and healthcare experiences
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I wonder if applying to the bridge program shows you’re committed and they’ll be more likely to accept you? But this gave me a lot of hope! Hope to join you soon
 
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futuredoc155 said:
What does it mean if you never got any bridge program emails though?
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I would assume you’re higher on the WL or your stats are good enough to be accepted. Based on previous threads the people who didn’t get the bridge email got off the WL so I was discouraged when I got the bridge email
 
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is the bridge program email only for the NY campus? just wondering because I'm WL at the AR campus
 
seabham said:
is the bridge program email only for the NY campus? just wondering because I'm WL at the AR campus
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Looking back at previous threads (for AR) it doesn't look like Jonesboro has a bridge program? (at least I didn't see anyone comment about it)
 
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Congratulations to those of you who got accepted off the WL! Hope to see the rest of you on the other side! Here is the 2028 GroupMe, and here is the FaceBook page. Come network with your future classmates now!
 
Congratulations to everyone off the WL! Did anyone who hasn’t received the bridge program invitation get off the WL yet?
 
_CaptainKaladin_ said:
Did those of you who got off the WL send in LOInterest/LOIntents?
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I sent a letter of interest in early April and got a response that it was added to my file.

It probably also helped that I was moving to Long Island regardless of if I got off the waitlist or not because of family obligations, so I didn't technically have a historic connection to NY/LI but I was committed to the location.
 
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t_j_h said:
I sent a letter of interest in early April and got a response that it was added to my file.

It probably also helped that I was moving to Long Island regardless of if I got off the waitlist or not because of family obligations, so I didn't technically have a historic connection to NY/LI but I was committed to the location.
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How long did they give you to choose?
 
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Graduated last week. Let me know if anyone has any questions and wants unfettered answers and opinions. Here are the 3rd year rotation sites that were available for my year since I know that question comes up.
 

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Dr. Vinnie Boombatz said:
Graduated last week. Let me know if anyone has any questions and wants unfettered answers and opinions. Here are the 3rd year rotation sites that were available for my year since I know that question comes up.
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Do you have any comments on the infamous NYIT attrition rate?
 
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Dr. Vinnie Boombatz said:
Graduated last week. Let me know if anyone has any questions and wants unfettered answers and opinions. Here are the 3rd year rotation sites that were available for my year since I know that question comes up.
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Hello.
Please feel free to answer what you want:
1. How would you describe your time there? If you were to go back would you change your school?
2. Thank you for the rotations site pdf that you shared. looking at it, it seems that the sites listed are not what is listed on the website. Does that mean that the list on the website is not accurate/updated or do sites change year by year? for reference this is what I mean : Clinical Education Institutions
3. I have read that it is a bit difficult to have honors in your rotations because they split it up in a way that is a bit complicated. Is that true?
4. Were you always neck deep in studies? Were you able to breathe from time to time?
5. Did you feel that the school prepared you well for your boards?
6. What did you absolutely hate/love about the school?
7. Were the faculty and staff supportive?

TIA
 
_CaptainKaladin_ said:
Do you have any comments on the infamous NYIT attrition rate?
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Disclaimer that things might have changed since I was a first year and my first year was during lockdown so it would already be very different.

I think my class went from 319 at orientation to 296 on match day. My opinion on it is that many people left for family reasons, determined medicine isn't for them, delayed graduation for a research year, or become an academic scholar which delays graduation by a year. I know medicine is very familial, but even considering that it feels like there are a disproportionate number of students with physician parents here, and despite what they said in their interviews they never really wanted to become a doctor. If that's the case you will burn out very quickly at any med school. Since it's a DO school, some people going for derm, ortho or other competitive residencies took a research year between OMS3 and 4 so it would look like attrition even though it isn't.

There certainly are people who flunk out, but I have no idea how many that is. No one I know flunked out. The test questions are written by the professors and are based on the lectures. This was annoying for students who studied using FA, sketchy, B&B, or pathoma based on lecture titles because the professors would go into low-yield material in lectures (we had one question on our very first exam about how many grams of sugar are in a "standard bottle of coke"; but that was probably the craziest question of all of preclinical). Some of the test questions can be extremely low-yield, but overall I never found it difficult to score better than a 70. I think the reason people fail is because they don't know how to study and the school doesn't do a lot of hand-holding to help those students figure it out. There are a lot of people here who never had to try in high school, and if they never had to try in college too, they are in for a rude awakening. The school has "academic specialists" who are supposed to help struggling students, but I've heard they are useless.

TL;DR If you're here for the wrong reasons, you'll burn out. If you don't know how to actually study, you'll struggle on the exams. If those don't apply to you, you'll be fine.
 
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TuttiFrutti14 said:
Hello.
Please feel free to answer what you want:
1. How would you describe your time there? If you were to go back would you change your school?
2. Thank you for the rotations site pdf that you shared. looking at it, it seems that the sites listed are not what is listed on the website. Does that mean that the list on the website is not accurate/updated or do sites change year by year? for reference this is what I mean : Clinical Education Institutions
3. I have read that it is a bit difficult to have honors in your rotations because they split it up in a way that is a bit complicated. Is that true?
4. Were you always neck deep in studies? Were you able to breathe from time to time?
5. Did you feel that the school prepared you well for your boards?
6. What did you absolutely hate/love about the school?
7. Were the faculty and staff supportive?

TIA
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1. I enjoyed it, but most of my preclinical was during lockdown so I never got to socialize much with my class outside of those in my lab group. The school has all the pitfalls of all DO schools, such as high tuition, high class size, limited academic hospital affiliations, limited research opportunities, and the DO bias from residencies, but it also has a lot of pluses that many DO schools lack, such as a robust alumni network (at least on Long Island and in NYC), many local community hospitals (I did a rotation with a student from a newish DO school in the south that was rotating at a random community hospital on Long Island because "it was what was available to him", which is absolutely insane and inexcusable), the match list is nice if you want to do residency in the Tri-State area, and while research opportunities are limited compared to an MD school, they're pretty good for a DO school. If I could change my school to another DO school, I wouldn't. I've heard PCOM is really nice, but outside of maybe that I personally wouldn't pick any other DO in the northeast over NYITCOM, and I wouldn't want to go to a school outside the northeast. If you are asking between NYITCOM and MD, pick the MD. While the bias is softening, if you are interested in a competitive specialty or going to a top program within a non-competitive specialty, you are at such a pronounced disadvantage compared to MDs. It definitely hurt hearing from my MD friends who were getting interviews at places that were ghosting me even though my step 2 score was like 20 points higher.

Since this is getting long I'll respond to the other questions in another post.
 
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TuttiFrutti14 said:
Hello.
Please feel free to answer what you want:
1. How would you describe your time there? If you were to go back would you change your school?
2. Thank you for the rotations site pdf that you shared. looking at it, it seems that the sites listed are not what is listed on the website. Does that mean that the list on the website is not accurate/updated or do sites change year by year? for reference this is what I mean : Clinical Education Institutions
3. I have read that it is a bit difficult to have honors in your rotations because they split it up in a way that is a bit complicated. Is that true?
4. Were you always neck deep in studies? Were you able to breathe from time to time?
5. Did you feel that the school prepared you well for your boards?
6. What did you absolutely hate/love about the school?
7. Were the faculty and staff supportive?

TIA
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2. The pdf is what was available to us when we were making our schedules which was over a year ago. It might have changed since then. They were definitely sending out emails to us during fourth year about new clinical sites so they might have added those. I can tell you that I wasn't allowed to sign up to do clerkships at Long Island Jewish Medical Center, which is the biggest hospital I see on that list. Something I commented about on another post a while back was about NYU LI (previously known as Winthrop). They used to be a big hospital for NYITCOM but then NYU bought them out and opened up a medical school there. But they only have like 20 students per year and they really want to create the image that they are a big academic hospital. Part of that image is having a lot of medical students rotating there. During 4th year you're allowed to apply to non-NYITCOM affiliated hospitals to do your rotations, NYU LI only accepted applications from USMDs and NYITCOM, meaning no foreign students and no other DOs, and since USMDs tend to only do away rotations at the already established "big" academic hospitals, there aren't that many USMDs that apply there, so the hospital is essentially a NYITCOM hospital but only for 4th year, not 3rd. Also, a large amount of their attendings are from NYITCOM, speaking about that robust alumni network in the area from my last post.

3. For rotation grades there are 2 components. The first is your subjective score given by your preceptor. This goes from 1 to 7. Next is your objective score from your end-of-rotation COMAT exam ("shelf exam"). COMATs are scored with a mean of 100 and an SD of 10. To get a high pass you needed to get both a 6+/7 and a 110-114 on your COMAT. To get honors you needed to get both a 6+/7 and a 115+ on your COMAT. HOWEVER, I think some people in my year complained and the school lowered the requirements. you still need a 6+/7 but now you only need a 108-112 for high pass and 113+ for honors. This is only for your 3rd year clerkships, there are no COMATs, high pass, or honors during your 4th year rotations. Also for preclinical, the top ten percent at the end of each semester get honors. Class rank is determined by only your first 3 years, 4th year is not included. Residency programs will see "top X percent" (5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 33) on your dean's letter. If you are below the top third, it won't list a percent.
 
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TuttiFrutti14 said:
Hello.
Please feel free to answer what you want:
1. How would you describe your time there? If you were to go back would you change your school?
2. Thank you for the rotations site pdf that you shared. looking at it, it seems that the sites listed are not what is listed on the website. Does that mean that the list on the website is not accurate/updated or do sites change year by year? for reference this is what I mean : Clinical Education Institutions
3. I have read that it is a bit difficult to have honors in your rotations because they split it up in a way that is a bit complicated. Is that true?
4. Were you always neck deep in studies? Were you able to breathe from time to time?
5. Did you feel that the school prepared you well for your boards?
6. What did you absolutely hate/love about the school?
7. Were the faculty and staff supportive?

TIA
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4. During preclinical I studied a lot, probably much more than I needed to if I were only trying to get a 70 and pass. I would say it was like ~8 hours a day, 7 days a week. It helped that it was during lockdown, so I wasn't really missing much outside. Preclinical is rough no matter where you do medical school. My advice would be to treat it like it is a full-time job. In another post, I mentioned that a reason people fail is because they don't know how to study. If you're the person who did his/her high school homework on the bus to school, studied for the first time during your lunch period right before the exam, and then went to college and managed to get by, by studying only the night before the exam, you are going to get destroyed by these exams. As soon as one exam is done, I would take the rest of the day off, and then the next day I would immediately start studying for the next exam in a couple of weeks time. With that said you can definitely breathe. I pretty much never studied after the sun went down. Again, I wasn't aiming for a 70 on the exams, which you shouldn't either because...

5. The lectures provide a great base of knowledge and some professors make their lectures based on what you'll see on Level 1/Step 1 but most don't. You absolutely need to spend your dedicated time using materials like first aid, boards and beyond, sketchy pharm and micro, and pathoma. However, this is not exclusive to NYITCOM, I have never heard of any school, DO or MD, that prepares you for the boards without using the above-mentioned sources. There are some schools that used old, retired step questions on their exams, but NYITCOM uses professor-written questions, which are not all that similar to the way questions are asked on the boards which is annoying. As a sidebar, my year was the first that took a pass/fail level 1/step 1. While I don't know anyone who failed, I know a lot of people who pushed their exam into the beginning of 3rd year which having to study for those exams, while being on a full-time rotation and also studying for our COMATs sounds like the worst thing imaginable, so don't do that. I would say do not treat the exam as pass/fail, study as hard as you can, and try to do as well as you can. The harder you study for it, the easier your COMATs, level 2/step 2 and even level 3/step 3 will be. It might not seem like it, but the knowledge transfers over. Plus some of the minute details you have to know for step 1 you'll forget about within a couple of months, so you can impress your attendings by mentioning some random physiology, and biochemical pathways that they once knew but had forgotten about.
 
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TuttiFrutti14 said:
Hello.
Please feel free to answer what you want:
1. How would you describe your time there? If you were to go back would you change your school?
2. Thank you for the rotations site pdf that you shared. looking at it, it seems that the sites listed are not what is listed on the website. Does that mean that the list on the website is not accurate/updated or do sites change year by year? for reference this is what I mean : Clinical Education Institutions
3. I have read that it is a bit difficult to have honors in your rotations because they split it up in a way that is a bit complicated. Is that true?
4. Were you always neck deep in studies? Were you able to breathe from time to time?
5. Did you feel that the school prepared you well for your boards?
6. What did you absolutely hate/love about the school?
7. Were the faculty and staff supportive?

TIA
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6. Love the professors, and the other students, the guys who run the mannequin simulation and skills lab are great. I never ran into anyone "toxic". The campus is nice, but don't base any decisions on that. They take OMM very seriously here. I saw this as a plus because while people I know at other DO schools were stressing out about the OMM on levels 1 and 2, it felt like a cakewalk to me since NYITCOM had drilled it into my head so many times. I like the fully online lectures due to covid that I think they are still continuing, but I can see why this might be a negative for some. As I mentioned earlier, there are a lot of community hospitals nearby affiliated with NYITCOM. If I were that student who had to fly across the country and find living arrangements just for a 1-month rotation at a random community hospital, I would be beyond pissed. And I hear this is becoming somewhat of a norm at new DO schools, which is unfortunate. Things I hate: the DO bias, lack of big academic hospitals for 3rd-year clerkships and 4th-year electives, the school's health insurance and policies regarding it. In my first year, the health insurance was around ~$4500, by my 4th year it was around ~$7500. Many medical students go on Medicaid during medical school since they have no income. The school originally wouldn't let students do this during 3rd and 4th years since if you're doing a rotation out of New York State you wouldn't be covered or something, eventually my class signed a petition and they let students sign a waiver, but then we had to go through the whole process again the next year and the school made a big stink about it, but eventually yielded.

7. Yes very much so. There were maybe 1-2 PhD's that taught preclinical that I didn't like but everyone else was fantastic. Especially the DOs that teach you OMM and how to take a history and do a physical. If you go here you'll meet Dr. Heller and you'll know what I'm talking about. Professors have regular office hours, and answer their emails regularly, some professors will also offer a live Q&A session prior to an exam with their lectures on it.

To summarize everything, NYITCOM has negatives that all DO schools share but has a lot of positives that many DO schools lack. I, personally, would pick it over any DO school in the northeast, but I'd be willing to hear out PCOM and maybe LECOM (main campus). If you have an MD acceptance, I would take it over NYITCOM unless there are staggering cost differences (like >200k), you really want to specialize in OMM, or you are 100% committed to doing something like rural family medicine and NYITCOM is cheaper or closer to family (i.e. doing a non-competitive specialty and matching at community (non-competitive) program)
 
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Dr. Vinnie Boombatz said:
6. Love the professors, and the other students, the guys who run the mannequin simulation and skills lab are great. I never ran into anyone "toxic". The campus is nice, but don't base any decisions on that. They take OMM very seriously here. I saw this as a plus because while people I know at other DO schools were stressing out about the OMM on levels 1 and 2, it felt like a cakewalk to me since NYITCOM had drilled it into my head so many times. I like the fully online lectures due to covid that I think they are still continuing, but I can see why this might be a negative for some. As I mentioned earlier, there are a lot of community hospitals nearby affiliated with NYITCOM. If I were that student who had to fly across the country and find living arrangements just for a 1-month rotation at a random community hospital, I would be beyond pissed. And I hear this is becoming somewhat of a norm at new DO schools, which is unfortunate. Things I hate: the DO bias, lack of big academic hospitals for 3rd-year clerkships and 4th-year electives, the school's health insurance and policies regarding it. In my first year, the health insurance was around ~$4500, by my 4th year it was around ~$7500. Many medical students go on Medicaid during medical school since they have no income. The school originally wouldn't let students do this during 3rd and 4th years since if you're doing a rotation out of New York State you wouldn't be covered or something, eventually my class signed a petition and they let students sign a waiver, but then we had to go through the whole process again the next year and the school made a big stink about it, but eventually yielded.

7. Yes very much so. There were maybe 1-2 PhD's that taught preclinical that I didn't like but everyone else was fantastic. Especially the DOs that teach you OMM and how to take a history and do a physical. If you go here you'll meet Dr. Heller and you'll know what I'm talking about. Professors have regular office hours, and answer their emails regularly, some professors will also offer a live Q&A session prior to an exam with their lectures on it.

To summarize everything, NYITCOM has negatives that all DO schools share but has a lot of positives that many DO schools lack. I, personally, would pick it over any DO school in the northeast, but I'd be willing to hear out PCOM and maybe LECOM (main campus). If you have an MD acceptance, I would take it over NYITCOM unless there are staggering cost differences (like >200k), you really want to specialize in OMM, or you are 100% committed to doing something like rural family medicine and NYITCOM is cheaper or closer to family (i.e. doing a non-competitive specialty and matching at community (non-competitive) program)
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I just wanted to thank you very much for all the time you took to answer my questions. Very informative and thoughtful!

Congratulations Dr.
 
bananapepperpie said:
No sorry I’m saying I never got an invite to the bridge program
I wonder what their criteria is for sending out the invite for bridge
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Oh I think they send out the bridge program invite to people with lower stats? We aren’t at a disadvantage if we didn’t receive the invite from what I gather, probably the opposite tbh.
 
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